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Old 06-15-2009, 11:23 PM
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I've been trying to help a fellow Ham with this antenna he picked up at a Hamfest. It looks a lot like a Ringo for 10 meters or CB, but the tuning ring has only a connection for the coax; no connection for the tuning stub that Cushcraft uses. Also, it is made up of 4 telescoping sections that are adjustable with knurled rings; no hose clamps! I didn't measure it but it extends to around 16 feet. It also has an "eggbeater" like capacitance hat at the top.
We've messed with this thing for hours trying to resonate it between 6 and 10 meters with no success.
Does this sound familiar to anyone? Finding a manual or at least tuning measurements would be too good to be true, but I remain hopeful.
Thanks and 73.

Lonnie, N9IUI
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Lonnie, sounds like there are some missing parts / pieces to me .....Mac
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I had one of those years back I believe it was called something like a super mag or something? It had the staticc ball egg wisk looking deal on the top the one I had I gave to a friend and they used it with no problems on 11 meters.

Not seeing a pic makes it difficult to compare to the one I had forsure but it does sound like what I had I also was wonder what the hell mine was and someone told me it was a super mag now who made it is beyond me I was told but am not sure.

There were a few antennas which sported that static ball penatrators ETC if Im not mistaken.
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Just to see if it'll work, try it on 20 meters. I wouldn't bet on it, but...

I do know the 6 meter 'Ringo' uses a short 'open' coaxial stub in addition to the ring for tuning, so there are two SO-239's on that antenna. Are there any screw holes that might be where a bracket for another SO-239 could be located?

Given the length of the thing, it -could- be for almost any band down to about 20 meters or so. Lots of possibilities without out ever getting to the commercial bands.
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I had one of those years back I believe it was called something like a super mag or something? It had the staticc ball egg wisk looking deal on the top the one I had I gave to a friend and they used it with no problems on 11 meters.

Not seeing a pic makes it difficult to compare to the one I had forsure but it does sound like what I had I also was wonder what the hell mine was and someone told me it was a super mag now who made it is beyond me I was told but am not sure.

There were a few antennas which sported that static ball penatrators ETC if Im not mistaken.
I used to be familiar with the SuperMag, it isn't one of them though the "ball" on the top is similar.
This has a tuning ring at the base much like the Ringo antennas, but not exactly like them.
I'll try to get over there to get a pic but I'm not sure I can post pictures; I'm a new member.

Thanks and 73

Lonnie, N9IUI
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Just to see if it'll work, try it on 20 meters. I wouldn't bet on it, but...

I do know the 6 meter 'Ringo' uses a short 'open' coaxial stub in addition to the ring for tuning, so there are two SO-239's on that antenna. Are there any screw holes that might be where a bracket for another SO-239 could be located?

Given the length of the thing, it -could- be for almost any band down to about 20 meters or so. Lots of possibilities without out ever getting to the commercial bands.
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I had my MFJ antenna analyzer on it and tried everything from 6 to 20 meters with no luck.
I'm sure there isn't anything missing; there isn't anyplace for anything else to go!
I have the 6 meter Ringo (and 2 meter and 220 and 440. . .) so I'm familiar with the design of their tuning ring. There isn't provision or a hole for a connector for a tuning stub on this mystery antenna.
Thanks Doc and 73

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I had my MFJ antenna analyzer on it and tried everything from 6 to 20 meters with no luck.
I'm sure there isn't anything missing; there isn't anyplace for anything else to go!
I have the 6 meter Ringo (and 2 meter and 220 and 440. . .) so I'm familiar with the design of their tuning ring. There isn't provision or a hole for a connector for a tuning stub on this mystery antenna.
Thanks Doc and 73

Lonnie, N9IUI
Since you have an analyzer, is the antenna resonate anywhere?
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The only place it would resonate was on 10 meters with it fully collapsed, so it was only about 6 or 7 feet long.

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That is odd, the antenna must have some sort of loading mechanism besides the simple base loop. Without a photo is hard to visualize the antenna. Does it resonate anywhere when it is fully extended? I have a few of the older ARRL handbooks with the ads in the back from the 30's, 40's, 50's, and 60's. I will look and see if anything in there looks like what you are describing.

Is there any signs that the antenna ever have some sort of ground plane or tuned ground wire attached. It seems that for it to work without a tuning stub, it would need a ground plane or at least a simple counterpoise.

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That is odd, the antenna must have some sort of loading mechanism besides the simple base loop. Without a photo is hard to visualize the antenna. Does it resonate anywhere when it is fully extended? I have a few of the older ARRL handbooks with the ads in the back from the 30's, 40's, 50's, and 60's. I will look and see if anything in there looks like what you are describing.

Is there any signs that the antenna ever have some sort of ground plane or tuned ground wire attached. It seems that for it to work without a tuning stub, it would need a ground plane or at least a simple counterpoise.

73
The antenna doesn't appear to be missing anything, nor does it have any loading mechanism. it looks for all the world like a 10 meter Ringo except that it is made of heavier tubing with knurled rings instead of clamps where the tubing telescopes together. The tuning ring is a little different with no matching stub. It has the capacitance loops on top and to mount it, it is slipped over a mast and fastens with a hose clamp instead of the captive bolt like Cushcraft uses for the Ringo.
If someone can tell me how (or if) I can post photos, I'll get a shot of it.

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