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Old 10-23-2009, 01:03 PM
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I hope you are checking the SWR in a large parking lot w/o any cars around - or in a large open space. Objects around the vehicle will make a difference when checking SWR - too. Especially when so much power is being applied.

Other than that, making sure all of you connections are sound. It could also be that the amp itself is having an internal problem, and may need to be taken to a shop for some adjustments.
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im pretty sure this isnt the problem but more curious is how much deadkey/carrier
are ya using to drive the amp.also if ya can try another amp if have a extra one or if ya can get one from a local.cause if the swr stays low then its the amp
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willson 5000 perminent mount solid in center of roof. the radio is stock tuned but tunned, has external rf power knobe (galaxy 949) i run it all the way down seams to run the cleanest i think it is around 2 watts i think may be a little more. also never hade problem with swr meter before butt it is a radio shack meter says it's rated for 2,000 watts.
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willson 5000 perminent mount solid in center of roof. the radio is stock tuned but tunned, has external rf power knobe (galaxy 949) i run it all the way down seams to run the cleanest i think it is around 2 watts i think may be a little more. also never hade problem with swr meter before butt it is a radio shack meter says it's rated for 2,000 watts.
How much carrier does that 1x4 produce with a 2 watt drive? One more thing you could check, wilsons have been known to be infiltrated by water so you might unscrew the antenna and give it a shake to see it this is the case.
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100 watt on low around 300on high does not appear to have water in it
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I would try a different SWR meter or find someone with an MFJ antenna analyzer. Sounds like it's either in the amplifier or you have a mal-functioning meter.
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went over to my grandfathers house this weakend he has bean into radios for over 40 years threw his meter on reads the same as mine. he thinks i'm running to much power and it is reflecting back because bearfoot it runs perfect and amp turned down it runs fine.its when i start turning up the power past say 500 watts. he stats a 102 inch steal might help or if i hade it as a base with a much bigger and taller antena he told me to just run it low around 200 to 300 watts where the swr is good. WHAT ARE YOUR THUOGHTS ON THIS DOES THIS MAKE SENCE.
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It sounds to me like the problem is what W5LZ said earlier. The output impedance of the amp isn't correct. Or, perhaps whatever impedance matching circuit that they used in the amp can't handle the full power output capabilities of the amp. I think you're going to have to get a tech to look at that thing.
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I think your grandfather's estimation of what's happening is certainly close with the "too much power" thingy, but I don't think I'd narrow it down to the antenna being the problem without some more checking or thought.
It's a fact, changing power doesn't mean the SWR will change. It can, but if it does then there's a reason for that change. I'm not talking about the meter and calibrating it, I mean that something changes in the antenna system, OR, something changes with whatever is delivering that power to the antenna system, the radio or amplifier. I haven't ever used that antenna so can't say from first hand experience that it can handle 500 watts, 1000 watts, 3000 watts or whatever. I have to go by what other people have experienced with it, and the general consensus is that it whould handle 1000 watts give or take some.
The next thing is the coax used. Since the run isn't all that long at all with the average mobile, almost any coax should be able to handle 1000 watts if the antenna (load on the end of the coax) is tuned halfway decently. The coax you are using certainly ought to work fine. Checking coax with only an SWR meter is really "iffy" at best, but it can give you at least an indication of how it's working. That would mean putting a known load on the end of that coax for that test, and that's sort of "iffy" too, all things considered. Just for grins, try doing it like you've done before when the SWR goes up and wiggle the coax. Any change, good/bad with that SWR when you do that? How about the jumper between the amplifier and SWR meter, any changes when wiggled? You see where I'm going with that, right?
And the next thing in line is the amplifier. There are two paths for RF through that amplifier. One is the by-pass circuit which is active when the amplifier is off, just sort of goes around the amplifier circuit. From what you've said, that seems to be okay. The other path through that amplifier is the one that does go through the amplifying circuit, and where the problem seems to be, since the problem only happens when the thing is 'on', AND is producing more than 500 watts, give or take. that's where things get sort of more complex, sort of. The first thing the antenna system see on entering that amplifier is the output circuitry which matches the amplifier's output impedance to the feed line's impedance. That circuit is a 'no tune' thingy unless you have to tune the amplifier's output, which you don't have to do. Those 'no tune' circuits are NEVER exactly right, they are always a compromise. A "one size fits all" thing never fits everyone well, it always fits some better than others. If it ain't got 'elastic' in it to 'shrink' the size, it isn't going to fit very well, hats, pants, belts, shoes, you name it. Sometimes even with that 'elastic' in it, the elastic' is the wrong size or it's lost it's 'stretch'. That 'no tune' circuit is the 'elastic' in an amplifier. (Long 'stretch', but still holds true. And I love puns!)
No matter how careful the builder is, that 'no tune' circuit has to be very close to right, or it just isn't gong to work well. Unfortunately, it's one of the things that's very easy to get 'not right', and can certainly cause what you are seeing. You have two choices when checking that output circuit. There's a fairly simple way of checking that circuit, but most people don't have the dummy load to do it with. That requires a fairly large dummy load cuz of the power levels involved, 1000 watt range. Run that amplifier through an SWR meter into a dummy load of the right size and you should see a good SWR. If you vary the power, adjust the SWR meter correctly if it's needed, then that SWR shouldn't change except a very, very small amount. If it isn't better than something like 1.5:1, then I'd say that 'no tune' circuit isn't right. Wouldn't you?
Ain't got one'a them dummy loads of that size? Don't feel bad, most people don't (me too at the moment). Find someone who does, a technician, or CB shop??
Those are the 'easier' and most common problem areas. If you don't find a problem in those areas, oh man are you gonna have fun, it gets complicated!
What leads me to think the problem might be in the amplifier is that there doesn't seem to be a problem when it isn't used.
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thanks for the explination doc understood perfectly makes sence when someone explains other than it's this its that,and dont mind my spelling it is attrotious. every thing you have said has hellped alot kinda upseting though considering i just dummped around 700 bucks into the system everything is brand new. i guess i am going to have to find someone to check this amp out and get it right for me. untill i get this thing fixed, considering the amp on low it has a decent swr would it hert to use it as long as i don't turn it up. It was funny when i told my grandfather how much power that i was putting out his jaw dropped he said his amp only putts out 300 watts and hes talked accross country and around the world in both his mobile and base.this is definetly a learning experiencethanks much for your help . and does anybody know of a reliable tech in upstate ny i can bring this thing to i would contact worldwide amplifiers to get their impute on this but their sight is still down.
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