911

[pro151]

Well somebody has to vote for these people for them to get in a position of power to be able to make all of these secret decisions.
Boy am I glad I have never voted for any of the lying, cheating, stealing secretive sob's!

[freecell]

"Contrary to popular belief, governments do have a legitimate need for -some- secrecy."

the last real president of the 20th century would disagree with you.

here's what he had to say:

* The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control. And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know.

* It requires a change in outlook, a change in tactics, a change in missions--by the government, by the people, by every businessman or labor leader, and by every newspaper. For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.

* Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed. It conducts the Cold War, in short, with a war-time discipline no democracy would ever hope or wish to match.

* Nevertheless, every democracy recognizes the necessary restraints of national security--and the question remains whether those restraints need to be more strictly observed if we are to oppose this kind of attack as well as outright invasion.

* And so it is to the printing press--to the recorder of man's deeds, the keeper of his conscience, the courier of his news--that we look for strength and assistance, confident that with your help man will be what he was born to be: free and independent.

President John Fitzgerald Kennedy. Address before the American Newspaper Publishers Association (27 April 1961)

[jazzsinger]

Originally Posted by freecell

"Contrary to popular belief, governments do have a legitimate need for -some- secrecy."

the last real president of the 20th century would disagree with you.

here's what he had to say:

* The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control. And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know.

* It requires a change in outlook, a change in tactics, a change in missions--by the government, by the people, by every businessman or labor leader, and by every newspaper. For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.

* Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed. It conducts the Cold War, in short, with a war-time discipline no democracy would ever hope or wish to match.

* Nevertheless, every democracy recognizes the necessary restraints of national security--and the question remains whether those restraints need to be more strictly observed if we are to oppose this kind of attack as well as outright invasion.

* And so it is to the printing press--to the recorder of man's deeds, the keeper of his conscience, the courier of his news--that we look for strength and assistance, confident that with your help man will be what he was born to be: free and independent.

President John Fitzgerald Kennedy. Address before the American Newspaper Publishers Association (27 April 1961)

No doubt the main reason why THEY murdered him.None of these people who do shady deals in the background of governments have any morals whatsoever and will think nothing of murdering anyone who stands in their way,even the most powerful man on the planet and president of the biggest so called democracy on earth.To them murder be it singular or mass as witnessed on 911 is just a statistic on the way to accumulating wealth they can never spend but are so greedy/mentally ill they just can't bear to see other people share it.

Democracy is but a "DREAM" in a capitalist state.Freedom nothing more than an "ILLUSION" and Equality a complete f@cking "JOKE".

[mackmobile43]

Originally Posted by jazzsinger

No doubt the main reason why THEY murdered him.None of these people who do shady deals in the background of governments have any morals whatsoever and will think nothing of murdering anyone who stands in their way,even the most powerful man on the planet and president of the biggest so called democracy on earth.To them murder be it singular or mass as witnessed on 911 is just a statistic on the way to accumulating wealth they can never spend but are so greedy/mentally ill they just can't bear to see other people share it.

Democracy is but a "DREAM" in a capitalist state.Freedom nothing more than an "ILLUSION" and Equality a complete f@cking "JOKE".

Freedom is a reality for the only convicted person in the Lockerby bombing and how ironic that it was bound for John Fitzgerald Kennedy International airport.

In the scales of life justice should equal democracy and that is very unbalanced when it comes to this issue.