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Very interesting discussion.

I'm a new ham who was considering eventual involvemenet with a local ARES group.

Frankly, I wouldn't trust anyone to even communicate effectively if I couldn't trust them with a gun.

Frankly, I will not participate in a SHTF role without being armed.

Frankly, the local sheriff and his deputies will have their hands full during such event and it is absolutely naive to believe there will be adequate law enforcement presence in all areas. I assisted in the aftermath of Katrina in a FEMA info center in a town 75 miles away from Katrina'a ground zero where some folks we were assisting were very distressed and violence was possible. No law enforcement was anywhere near.

Frankly, I will carry to protect myself, not someone else. And anyone who suggests that I will carry to play Joe Cop is using a red herring argument to promote his own mis-informed and liberty-eroding agenda.

Any organization that applies restrictions to all based on the possible bad behavior of the worst is not, for me, an organization to associate with. That sounds like a kindergarten.

There is no other organization I belong to or meetings I attend that prohibit me from carrying if I were so inclined. Why should that prohibition be imposed on members of an organization who are more likely than the Kiwanis Club to be in a vulnerable position?

Finally, organizations that successfully impose such rules do so only because their particpants agree to give up their rights. That is what our whole nation is gradually doing. Refer to frog in pot of water, slowly heated.

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As nuts as some ARES members seem to be a gun would be a TERRIBLE idea in all senses!!!!

[QUOTE=Need2Know;351896]Very interesting discussion.

I'm a new ham who was considering eventual involvemenet with a local ARES group.

Seriously, dont waste your time..........
I am a ham and I DO NOT support or belong to ANY ARES groups.. They cause more problems than good.. I do support our local volunteer fire dept, police and paramedics as much as i can.. They are the TRUE heros NOT some wannabe cop hams....

[QUOTE=Zman;367982]When Katrina hit or there had been devastation from the Tornado outbreak in the South last year; the emergency comms made by those local Hams were both helpful and effective. But yes; they do sit on their fat butts the rest of the time . . .

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Haha !!!!!
Why I was just listening to a all-day ares test today which started at 8am and ends at 1pm I was just telling someone that its a bunch of senior citizens and I will not join cause they cant keep up. There should be a agility test and age limit no offense...to anyone but cmon some of them sounds like there battery's are dieing !!!!

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I think it would be a pretty good idea to get a realistic idea of just what ARES or other such organizations really do. That photograph is for publicity, it isn't for real, don't expect to see many members actually at a fire ground or such. Unless they are also firemen or whatever. The purpose is to provide communications, not perform the duties of a fireman or police officer.
Carrying a weapon just doesn't play a part on the roll of an ARES member, they won't, or shouldn't be in a position where that would be needed. I can certainly understand why 'packing' a gun would be discouraged.
- 'Doc

(Wanna know if I'm 'packing'? Ask me if you've got a very good reason. If you don't then don't bother. I don't consider that something that needs to be publicized. Just not any of your business.)

Pretty much sums it up...
When you have some MORON wearing a "hard hat" made from a plastic ice cream bucket painted yellow with a red blinky light thing mounted on top yelling at people to "go the other way the lights are out in town and there are trees down!" you take a pretty dim look at ARES. Around here most of them are severely overweight, smelly, dicktards that think they are something that they are not.... Im a ham and i do not and will NOT support the ARES.... At least not here.