I am being objective. Just trying to be on the other side of the debate.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D">

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Ok I got it figured out. I guess Im gettin too old. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"> Take care








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It's funny . When I read in QRZ and Eham about bad operators with channel 19 dialog it's always mentioned to everyone that it's going on on 75/80 and 20 meters. These are the elite that have learned code. I have never heard Techs in my area act like that. So I have seen no proof that non code people will tear down Ham it seems that the proof of bad operators factually has been attributed to people that already passed code.








God bless you all !



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range rider, I know what you mean. I was excited when I got my tech thinking how nice it would be to carry on nice conversations in a quiet manner. But locally here, the 2m and 440 are snots. Closed groups and from what I can tell don't talk to other repeater groups or dx.

Wow, what's this hobby for????? Setup an intercom system or use the telephone with conference calling if you don't want to be disturbed by others. I"m still going for the general ticket and was looking forward to using code, I thought it would be fun.

The knowledge is gratifying, I like techie stuff anyhow. I envision myself going for the extra, not for bragging rights, just for the experience and learning. But I'm not sure I want to go to the expense, both monetary and time and find it's the same.

Funny my says, if you want to talk to Ed in Colorado, why don't you just use the cell, at night it's free...... hmmmm, maybe she has a point!<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin">


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OK, I'm going to take a deep breath and let it out slowly. This is an emotional issue for sure. I can attest that some repeater groups a tight bunch out here in CO, but not all. I don't buy the fact that HF you are more exposed to hearing bad operations than on VHF, because there are way more VHF operators than HF. I have yet to hear any bad operations on any of the repeater systems in CO that I can Hear. thats not saying that it doesn't happen, I just haven't heard it, no malicous or intended interference. I have heard that stuff in the Extra portion of the band and in the General. Operators acting like what I hear on Freeband, with carriers and tuning and I've even heard whistling, it is childish to say the least. Anytime you build or promote a CLASS structure you bulid and promote CLASS envy and all the other problems associated with that type of system. Weather you are a victim or an advocate someone always has an ax to grind. It is just human nature. It is also human nature to disagree with other humans, but it is how we work thing out that proves our mettle. Some hide behind their microphones and act like children, others work a positive solution that works for the good of all. I don't fault the people, I think it comes from the system that has been created and is now going through a major growing pain. Code or no code, whats the difference? People are still people and therse is no changing that.



Doc, I want to ask you a question, but I don't want you to take this personally. I respect your opinion and even though I sometimes disagree with I still believe in your right to have it. And BTW you are a great debater<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> .

Here is the question.



Why did you bring CB into the debate about Ham radio license structure when you were the one in a previous thread said that Han souldn't be so concened about CB, and CB shouldn't be so concerned with Ham. The energy spent on worrying about each other would ne better spent on thier own interests. That they both benifit one from the other.



Jerry,

Pick up that phone sometime, I would love to visit with you.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

Thanks all

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Wow! An honest, intersting, and thought provoking discussion about amateur radio with out the name calling and bad mouthing! We ain't on Eham no more Toto!




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Thanks Doc,

I appreciate the honesty.



Its just too bad that Ham radio has to go through this time of strife and stress. You know I think that no matter if the FCC does implement the proposal it won't matter a wit anyhow. Even if the newcomers have a license that says they have General privlidges they will be so unwelcome on the band that they will probably migrate to the Novice portion, if the newhaters aren't their making the Novices miserable too. If you don't believe it check out the threads on QRZ about this very subject.



WOW the people on this forum can have an honest open debate about a real issue. The ones on QRZ sure can't, some of the stuff that is posted by the so called Elite Hams makes me sick. Makes me not even want to be a part of it if they are supposed to represent Ham radio. To hear it over their I am just a snivling little Tech that wouldn' t know how to operate on HF, and if I were allowed I couldn't do it safely. Makes me wonder how one practices safe HF<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"> .



Anyway I think I have all but exhausted my point of view on the subject, but I can say that it has been fun. Thanks Doc for the debate you really know your stuff. At least Ham radio isn't as bad as doing your taxes..................YET<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> .



Take care everyone

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<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Even if the newcomers have a license that says they have General privileges they will be so unwelcome on the band that they will probably migrate to the Novice portion, if the new haters aren't their making the Novices miserable too. <hr></blockquote>

I would Hope not Eddie,I am a general class lic holder,I learned and passed my code test and I welcome the newcomers, as a mater of fact I cherish the idea. I have friends that have been, and still are, struggling with code and there is nothing I would like better that to have them be able to upgrade and get on Ten Meters and Have a round table with myself and our friends. As crowded as some of the bands are, Ten Meters at times seems like a RF waste land,(12 and 15 for that matter as well) and there is a lot of reasonably priced equipment that is available(or can be converted) to get on these bands. As a mater of fact, I am willing to bet that 75% of the members right here have the Equipment now to work these bands.

Doc, I know some of the bands are crowded, but there IS room for new comers, it might not be on 20 meters, or 40, but it is there, and if the demand warrant's, and we are strong in numbers, we might just prove to the powers that be that we deserve more bandwidth. This may be wishful thinking, but Lets not forget what happened to 220...things got slow there and look at what happened, we lost spectrum, so if someone has to sit in my lap for a little while to insure that we do not lose any more...so be it, I can share. And Like Eddie said, Thanks for being honest with you coments.



And I would like to take the time to thank everyone that has responded to this, is is VERY refreshing to see that we have a good group here that can discuse this subject without resorting to name calling Ect, Hats off to everyone!!!



73

Jeff




CDX 339

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<blockquote>Quote:<hr>If you don't believe it check out the threads on QRZ about this very subject.<hr></blockquote> Most of the big ranters on QRZ don't really mean what they say. Alot of them swore they would sell their equipment and get out of radio if the code requirement was dropped. I e-mailed several of them to find out what they had to sell and let them know I hated to see such good folks with so much knowledge to share with new guys just vanish from the hobby and they all replied they made that comment in the heat of anger. I can understand that very well myself.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)">


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