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Old 08-26-2009, 01:56 PM
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im wondering what the ramifications of this are.

does this mean that the FCC cannot file this type of suit on anyone or just pacetronics?

does this mean that others who are fined for the same reason can use this as a precedent?

this seems like a big deal; i wonder what will come of it.

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Yes to all and everyone charged as such prior to this should have a re-hearing to correct this and then bring civil suits against the fcc on false charges.
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Old 08-26-2009, 02:00 PM
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Yes to all and everyone charged as such prior to this should have a re-hearing to correct this and then bring civil suits against the fcc on false charges.
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Old 08-26-2009, 08:19 PM
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Apparently the FCC admitted in testimony that the classification of Amateur radios as legal or illegal is totally arbitrary and decided on a "case by case" basis.
Have you actually read the reason the FCC decided to drop the case ?

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FCC about to lose another one. FCC expert admits that Galaxy 99 is "legal out of the box."
Does the above come from the Pacetronics case ? I'm not sure if the 99 converts to 40 channel display after it is converted. If so then all other "exports" would be considered legal "out of the box" ( unconverted ). But I wonder if the statement is do to the conversion being a little more difficult than most on a 99.
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But I wonder if the statement is do to the conversion being a little more difficult than most on a 99.
If I remember correctly (it's been years), you just removed one jumper and plugged in a connection that was unplugged.
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Old 08-26-2009, 09:01 PM
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I think it is a case-by-case deal, but might serve as precedence...if you're fined 7 million for selling illegal ham radios...
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If I remember correctly (it's been years), you just removed one jumper and plugged in a connection that was unplugged.

Old version from about 8 years ago. It was redesigned after the Pilot case and is now no longer "easy to modify" since you need a soldering iron. The FCC apparently considers any Amateur radio easy to modify if it can be modified without a soldering iron. If you need a soldering iron, it is "legal out of the box"
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Old 08-27-2009, 06:41 AM
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Old version from about 8 years ago. It was redesigned after the Pilot case and is now no longer "easy to modify" since you need a soldering iron. The FCC apparently considers any Amateur radio easy to modify if it can be modified without a soldering iron. If you need a soldering iron, it is "legal out of the box"
That would mean that many Kenwood,Yaesu and Icom radio's are easily modded as you can just snip diodes in many cases,but I don't see the FCC (Fully Corrupt Chancers) going after the big boys.Maybe its because the fcc and many of the other similar organisations worldwide officers are licensed Amateurs and they have a hidden agenda against cb'ers who they see as inept and below them,ironically the only ones who appear to be inept are THEM.

Marconi,Tesla and many other radio pioneers must be turning in their graves now to see how government corruptness just to line their own pockets has devalued a gift they gave to the people.

No-one should have the right to profit from the radio spectrum,it is a naturally occuring phenomenom,what next,charging for sunlight or air?
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They did go after the Kenwood dealers around 1995 with regard to the TS50 as I recall. They also put pressure on Kenwood about 10 years ago when Kenwood announced they would start selling radios to truck stops. The only reason Kenwood, ICOM and Yaesu are not on the list of illegal transceivers is that the list was developed by an old time Amateur operator and not by a neutral party.
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Old 08-27-2009, 01:58 PM
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When are we going to get over this unofficial "official" list? The actions of the FCC have nothing to do with what is on that list.
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Old 08-27-2009, 02:17 PM
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Nothing new here, but just to re-iterate:

The part 95 rules say that a transceiver must be certified if it operates on CB frequencies, or is intended to operate on CB frequencies. The problem with that is there is no rule that defines "intended to operate on CB".

There have been violation notices from the past that say the OET office of the FCC has determined that if a radio can be easily modified to run on CB, then its a CB transceiver and must be certified. The problem again is that there is no rule that defines "easy to modify", so the determination whether its a CB radio or not is completely arbitrary and does not come from any rule on the books.

Ultimately, it is most important that radios which may operate with more power than a legal CB would, or other frequencies outside of CB, are not sold as CB radios. Otherwise, you would have CB operators running illegally, while thinking their operations are legal. When the radio is sold as an amateur transceiver, it is very obvious to the customer that this radio is not a CB.
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