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It is closer to how hunters feel about poachers. Many hunters do not consider the game animals theirs, but take offense when someone who has not earned a game animal takes one. This has lead to some poachers being turned in and in one case a poacher was shot in the woods, by someone. IMHO, the police didn't investigate that murder, they just wrote it off as field justice. Who knows it could have been one of them who did the shooting.

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The real analogy is more like driving.

I have a licence to drive on our public roads. This is a granted privelage. If a non-licensed driver occupies the road, they may illegally interfere with my authorization to use a particular space at any given time.

That is all.

It is not like someone stealing my steak from my home!

I actually own that steak, no ham owns a frequency.

I have an inalienable right to that steak, nobody has an inalienable right to a frequency.

It is secured on my private property, Ham frequencies are not individually private, but are for the ham community. They are not property.

No government entity can issue authorization to the public to enter and use my property (althought hey may claim some sort of emminent domain, if need be).

Nobody has a "right" to amateur radio just like nobody has a "right" to drive an automobile. They are licenced privelages...

Not only is the steak analogy bad, it is utterly wrong -- and it just illustrates see dubya's flawed mentality.

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CB guys have no limits on power, bandwidth or channels. Hams do. Why hang out with boring hams when you can go anywhere in the spectrum and do whatever you want

I disagree - agreeably.
Hams can use power legally. CB'ers get fined. Also, Hams can talk on 1.8mhz all of the thru to 1.2ghz (and beyond); how's that for channels? CB's only have between 26.965mhz to 27.405mhz. Sure, you can use freq's above and below - but you run the risk of FCC biting you - as thse freq's are used by the US Gov't!!!

As far as 'doing what you want' - is nothing more than lack of understanding of the circumstances. If you start to interfere with someone - you will quickly find out when someone complains!

That's it!

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If they come up on 10 meters without a license, most likely they will run into my propagation beacon for experimental and educational purposes. Nice propagation beacon right near two truck stops. Good place for it. At least someone is listening to it and can learn from it.

My FT-857 has a beacon setting and can be set to operate as a beacon transmitter. So far I have let it run on 6m only but I like your idea of a 10m beacon. How about a 10m mobile propagation beacon next to a truck stop.

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I like that idea too. That's even better because it's mobile and makes propagation more defined on the other end.

I like the idea of setting up a propogation beacon. But I don't know how to do it...would someone care to start a thread and enilighten us?

I have a digital voice and cw recorder built into the radio. I can put it in repeat or loop mode and tell it how long to leave gaps in between transmissions. Turn the receive volume down to 0 and let it go for as long as you want. Just make sure your fans are working because she will get hot. (hint hint)

Heh, don't forget, it's illegal to even acknowledge a station without an ID. Even "go away" is breaking the law.