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What am I missing?

W5LZ

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I'm trying to set up a TS-480 and a laptop to do a few of the 'digital' modes. I can get the audio from the radio to the laptop, the laptop to do what it's supposed to with it and display it. I am having a problem getting the audio out of the laptop to the '480 for transmitting, and making the @#$ thing transmit that audio. I've re-wired the data plug to the '480 something like three times. It's still not acting right, won't transmit on 'cue'. I can control the '480 via the RS-232 jack with either the Kenwood program or HRD, bbut not with 'EasyPal', 'Digipan', or 'MMSSTV'. I'll bet it's something 'simple', but I'm just not seeing it. So what am I doing wrong? Any ideas?
- 'Doc


One possibility is the RS-232 to USB port 'converter' program. I've got two, both work okay with the desktop computer, I think they are working with the laptop. How the #3LL would I know at this point?
 

I don't have any experience with that rig, but I've done this with enough different ones that I might be able to help. First question: Is PTT working from the computer?
 
It's been a while but I believe you have to designate a port for the PTT to operate in Digipan and MMSSTV and likely others. In Digipan look at the top menue bar and select Configure. In the window that pops open select Serial Port and then choose COM 2. I believe that is what worked for me when I messed around with Digipan. Don't do any digital stuff ow but may get back into it again.
 
I have a serial port designated. Works to control the radio using 'HRD', so would assume the same cable/port would work for Digipan or MMSSTV too. And no, using 'HRD' it doesn't transmit either.
I'm very tempted to just give up and buy an interface. Let 'it' do all this @#$!
- 'Doc
 
I'll bet that it is the USB to Serial issue. You can get PCI serial port cards from Newegg.com for pretty cheap ---some of them give you multiple serial ports. I have a 4 port card on this computer and a couple of 2 port ones running on other machines. All of those programs behave properly with a true serial port, at least in my experience.
 
I believe you are correct.

yepper, in fact EASYPAL will not allow you to select a port that is already in use.

are you running HRD at the same time as the other software? it can be done, ..... but why? easypal, mmsstv, any of the digital software can key the rig without using hrd.

i'm not sure how you are trying to key the rig, via the data port or via the mic connection (hard wire ptt or via vox),....

i would try not using hrd at all and then setting up the com ports within the digital software. after you get it working, then try using the hrd

"One possibility is the RS-232 to USB port 'converter' program. I've got two, both work okay with the desktop computer, I think they are working with the laptop. How the #3LL would I know at this point? " ..... delete the 232 adapter drivers, then reboot the 'puter, it should reinstall the drivers for you or ask you for the disc with the drivers... you DO have them don't ya:unsure:
 
Either that or just use DM780 since you already have HRD up. They are integrated and should work.

With only HRD, using it for rig control, does the TX work?

If TX doesnt' work, can you tune the radio in HRD and control other features?

You could try VOX mode on the rig too, if in fact you are passing audio...though I'm unsure if VOX will work via the data port input or not..worth a try though.

If you do give up, I use a Tigertronics USB Signalink with my TS-2000 into the 13 pin DIN in the back and it works great.
 
Not in any particular order;

HRD does work as it should except no transmit. The use of HRD was given as an example of the USB drivers working. I don't use HRD when any of the other programs are running. The DM-780 also works except for transmitting, won't transmit either.
I've tried the data port entry for the transmitted signal with the VOX set up (menu#60 both on/off), doesn't key the transmitter. I've tried adjusting audio levels to make sure there's enough to trip the VOX, nothing. I don't have a means of connecting to the mic input, but just holding the mic near the laptop speakers and transmitting via the mic does work. So, it would seem that the transmitter isn't being keyed via the radio's RS-232 port, or the data jack audio input and VOX.
Of the two or three USB/comport drivers I have, all the drivers are still on the laptop (I think), at least I haven't removed them. I have the disks and will reload the @#$ things, again. I've been 'stung' by that one before, so don't typically 'dump' drivers intentionally. (Also having just switched to 'Windows-7', I ain't swearing to nothing!)

I'm in the process of getting an interface (G3LIV) to handle this @#$, but I still want to know why all this happening this way. There are at least two other computer/radio combinations that this is going to have to work on, so the 'why' part is important.

And just as a point of useless information, I don't pull hair when frustrated. I cuss instead. Parents in my neighbor hood have discovered this and children usually only come outside (when I'm outside) wearing ear muffs of some sort. The neighborhood dogs have become used to me. After a really good string of cussing I get appreciation barks from a three block radius. (I know they appreciate it because the ones I can see are wagging their tails.) The barbers of the world still love me.
- 'Doc
 
Doc, what do you have between the computer and the radio for an interface now? You need a PTT circuit in the middle.The radio requires a logic ground to TX but the computer outputs a logic HIGH so you need a logic inverter. I use this one meant for direct keying in the attached file below.

In regards to the data audio jack not working, perhaps it is like my FT-857 in that it is not active unless you are in the proper mode. It is automatically switched ON/OFF depending what mode you are in. Makes no sense to me but I guess it's supposed to eliminate mistakes. Instead it just creates frustration. I'd like to keep the rig in USB mode for 20 SSTV and send data via the data jack and talk vis the mic but I can't unless I switch modes from USB to DIG. :headbang
 

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ok, it's sunday morning and i am wide awake now......

a couple of ideas/comments

there is a 480 yahoo user group and i know this issue is addressed on it... do you yahoo:D:D

also ..... It takes a special transmit code from software to enable audio to be transmitted from the Data port of the 480. In the Kenwood ARCP480 software under TX Control you have to check the box "DTS" and uncheck "PTT" before TX audio will be allowed in via the Data connector.

also ..... You have to use the PTT (pin 3, DTS) on the "Data" (6-pin mini-DIN) or "Data VOX" for audio to pass from the data connector. Menu 60 has to be "ON" for data "VOX" to function. CAT PTT or the front mike PTT will mute the data port's audio input, but pass the mike input audio.

also ..... be sure (in windows) that what ever audio source you are using (mic, line out) is enabled in the sound manager and is NOT muted and the "slider" is set about half way (you can move it up/down as required later)
 
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This is a perfect example of why modern rigs should all support PTT via CAT/CI-V. It makes the whole problem go away.
 
This is a perfect example of why modern rigs should all support PTT via CAT/CI-V. It makes the whole problem go away.


yepper,:censored::censored: heck, even on some of my "older" rigs, i just used the jacks supplied for the phone patch connections and they work just fine for sound card audio input/output.
 

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