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Hy-Gain SPT-500 Super Penetrator Question

Here is a link to a report by Tech833 on Copper's forum...for what it it worth.
http://www.copperelectronics.com/cgi-bin/discus4/discus.cgi

but you will have to look for the article on their site in the subscribers preview, articles, Penetrator 500 Exposed, and you have to be a member.

For others here is the text:

Tech 833 said:
Penetrator P500 EXPOSED!

By Tech 833

For close to 30 years, the Hy-Gain Penetrator model P500 and its siblings have been the benchmark for omni-directional base station antennas. According to Copper Electronics, the P500 was the best selling CB antenna of all time. It only seems right to try and discover what it is about the P500 that causes so many people to rave about it, what makes the P500 ‘tick’, and try to understand the design and engineering behind this benchmark product. At the same time, it will be an opportunity to see if the P500 lives up to its reputation, or if it is merely the recipient of a lot of positive hype.

The title of this installment might be a bit misleading since the Penetrator P500 is already ‘exposed’. Previous installments included cutting open fiberglass antennas to see what was inside the shells, therefore exposing them. Alas, the P500 is an all-aluminum antenna and there is nothing to expose, it is already naked as can be.

When testing and reviewing the fiberglass base station antennas, it was done with a lot of support from the manufacturers and the distributors since they are currently available products, and they are interested in selling them. The P500 is different since this antenna hasn’t been made or sold in over 15 years. There is no manufacturer support, which means if it is going to be done; it is going to have to be author financed in every way.

Most engineers are born curious types, and this is one antenna that has this author very curious. For years, Penetrator P500 owners have sung the praises of this mysterious antenna. Most swear up and down that nothing outperforms the Penetrator. A few say that some other antennas are as good as the Penetrator. It is rare to find someone who says that the Penetrator doesn’t live up to their standards. What makes this antenna so special? What makes it different? If it’s THAT good, why don’t they make or sell it anymore?

To find out, I asked around and found someone about an hour away who has an original Penetrator P500 not in use, and was willing to let me borrow it. A nice drive in the mountains to the California Gold Country home of “Buzzsaw”, and I had a disassembled P500 tied on to the ladder rack of my work truck, headed to the shop. Next time you hear Al (Buzzsaw) on the air, please be sure and thank him for his generous contribution to this effort.

Very little physical cleanup was required to get this loaned P500 ready for the test range. Some of the interesting traits of the Penetrator include double walled tubing for the lower section and thick, stiff tubing for ground planes and vertical pieces.

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As with any 5/8 wave ground plane antenna, there must be some kind of matching network to match the 50 ohm coaxial cable to the antenna feedpoint, and phase the vertical element properly. Most 5/8 base antennas that are familiar to us use a tapped coil matching network, encased in a fiberglass or phenolic form at the base. A few use some type of exposed coil or ring matching section (the Maco V-5/8 is a modern example).

The problem with coil type matching networks is there is some loss, and there is a power limitation as higher RF current creates heat buildup in the coil and within the coil form. Also, coil phased gain antennas give up some of their gain on the horizon because the RF current swarming around the base raises the takeoff angle unless the antenna is mounted a wavelength or more above ground level.

The P500 was designed with a couple key things in mind- first of all, no coils. Second, Hy-Gain wanted to have a CB antenna that could also be sold to the hams wanting an antenna for 10 meters that will effortlessly handle full legal power (1500 watts). For this, Hy-Gain antenna company tapped into the resource of Howell Pabian, who worked for Hy-Gain for many years. Mr. Pabian had actually devised the Penetrator’s unique matching scheme over 40 years ago as a way to eliminate the coil matching scheme from gain antennas and allow air cooling for the matching network which would also increase power handling capability.

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After testing, it was discovered that Mr. Pabian’s idea worked as well as planned, and through some design experimentation, it was simplified. The matching and phasing network on the Penetrator also eliminates the excess RF current around the base of the antenna, improving its ability to put signal on the horizon instead of wasting it at high angles, as I later discovered on the test range. Penetrator designer Mr. Pabian is now retired in the Lincoln, Nebraska area.

The Penetrator actually went through a few variations as it changed with the times, and they are easy to tell apart from one another. The first version had three-piece ground radials and each uses 2 bolts to hold them to the ground plane bracket. It is known as simply the “Penetrator”. The second version (sometimes called the ‘40 channel version’) released around 1981 uses only two sizes of tubing for the ground radials, and uses only 1 bolt per ground plane mounting bracket. It was known as the “Super Penetrator”. The last (newest) version was similar to version 2, but the aluminum parts were anodized to a gold color, and it is known as the “Golden Super Penetrator”. Other than physical differences, the antennas are electrically the same.

Looking at the schematic, the Penetrator P500 is completely at ground potential, which means that static will not build up on the antenna and it ends up being much ‘quieter’. In fact, when the P500 was first assembled and installed on the test tower, it was a dry, windy day and static could be heard snapping from the tophat at the upper end of the antenna. With a receiver connected to the coax, no RF static noise could be heard. Impressive.

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The original version Penetrator P500 I borrowed was assembled and tuned on a short test tower for 27.200 MHz. and marked. Then, the antenna was disassembled and transported to the test range for some more sophisticated scientific experiments.

Before spinning the P500 to plot the pattern, I first used a handheld RF current detector to probe around the antenna and find out where the RF hot-spots are. It was eye opening to discover that very little RF actually radiates from or around the mounting bracket and base of the antenna. Not until the probe was above the phasing section was substantial RF detected. The phase cancellation within the phasing stub is very effective. The ground planes are also very effective on the P500 with reduced RF current detected the farther away you probe from the mounting bracket and feedpoint. That will keep RF off of your feedline and out of your shack.

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That is also an advantageous characteristic for installations where electronics that are subject to interference are located nearby. If the Penetrator is mounted high enough, the RF field over your neighbors’ houses will be greatly reduced, which will minimize the chances for RF saturation types of interference.

Measured RF current along the radiator was fairly consistent with a typical 5/8 wave radiator. Since FCC rules regarding CB antennas limit the height above a structure in some cases, the P500 uses top loading to reduce the physical length of the vertical radiator, but in this case, the tophat also evens out the current along the radiator, which should make the vertical pattern very smooth.

Once the actual testing began, there were no shocking surprises or anything unusual to report. The P500 has a very smooth, predictable 5/8 wave gain pattern. With the unique matching and phasing network, modeling shows the P500 will be less picky about mounting height above ground than a typical 5/8 wave gain antenna, although it is still recommended for ANY gain type antenna that the feedpoint be a minimum of ½ wave above ground. Field plotting and modeling show the Penetrator has a true 3 dB gain.

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After playing with the on-loan P500 at the test range, I decided to take the Penetrator home and mount it on a test tower for some on-air testing. In order to really experience the Penetrator, I thought it would be best to see if it would tune up to the 10 meter amateur band. This way, I could try it on the air and also experiment with its power handling capabilities.

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I am happy to report the Penetrator can be tuned to the 10m ham band with no cutting or adjusting of the matching or phasing network. Simply shorten the vertical radiator. This is easily accomplished since the P500 vertical pieces are assembled with tubing compression joints and clamps. As you can see in the bandwidth charts, the P500 bandwidth was reduced slightly after retuning it to the 10m ham band. However, with a slight touch-up from a tuner, it still covers the entire band without trouble.

Comparing the P500 to a ¼ wave ground plane, the performance increase is really noticeable. Signals normally in the 5 to 6 S-unit range popped up near, or in the red. For example, one 10m beacon that is about 60 miles away from me usually comes in about 7 S-units on the ¼ wave ground plane. Flip the switch to the Penetrator and the signal jumps up past 9, right into the red. This improvement was consistent with every signal I tuned in. This is not a calibrated measurement by any means, no S-meter is.

Transmitting wise, stations copying me reported the same, or better improvement of the P500 over the ¼ wave ground plane. Admittedly, this is not a very scientific test, it was just an un-technical experiment over several weeks and various conditions. Running full legal limit of 1500 watts (CW), I did not notice any warming of the materials, and nothing failed, even during prolonged QSOs.

I also discovered just how quiet the P500 is. During some tests, noise on the 10m band on both the longwire and the ¼ wave ground plane antennas was running at approximately 1 S-unit. Switching to the P500, the noise would drop to zero, but actual signals increased! This is an expected characteristic of an antenna with a higher Q, and therefore, a narrower bandwidth. This really cuts broadband noise.

With such tremendous performance, it’s easy to why people rave about this antenna and why there is still a demand for this antenna. So, why isn’t the Penetrator still available new? Some research turned up some possible answers.


In the 1980’s, the federal government released new laws pertaining to the marketing and sale of CB antennas. In response to a lot of deaths reportedly due to installers fatally shocked by CB antennas falling across power lines, the government created law stating that CB antennas must insulate the installer at potentials up to 14,500 volts. That is about the time you started seeing fiberglass antennas like the Shakespeare Big Stick and the Antron 99 appear. The heyday of the all-aluminum CB antenna was over, and with that, the Penetrator P500 was discontinued.

Not long after, the Hy-Gain company sold their name, patents, tooling, and rights to a company called MFJ, well known for their amateur radio accessories. MFJ also owns the Cushcraft antenna company in addition to making their own line of MFJ brand amateur antennas. MFJ representatives told me that they still offer some of the parts for Hy-Gain antennas that are compatible with their older CB line, but they have no intention of offering the CB antennas for sale again. Issues of liability are the reported cause for this policy.

In the future, I plan to compare the P500 to an Antron 99 and an Imax 2000. I believe that would be an interesting experiment. However, it is time to return this Penetrator to its long-time owner. One final careful disassembly, and bundle all the pieces together for transport.

Since the Penetrator P500 isn’t currently in production, and the current owner of all the Hy-Gain designs and patents has no plans to reintroduce the product, the only hope for obtaining a Penetrator is to find one used. Luckily, thousands were sold over the years, and with market saturation like that, there are still plenty of them to be found.

In fact, that is exactly what I did recently, and it will be the subject of the next installment- Restoring a used Penetrator P500 antenna. Stand by for a really exciting project involving saving a damaged Penetrator antenna that was literally found in a trash pile, waiting to be hauled to the dump, and lovingly rebuilding it to ‘better-than-new’ condition and seeing it perform just like it did in 1975.

This story is FAR from over!

-Tech 833

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194, I redid my Eznec models for my I-10K vs. Penetrator 500 without matching. I set them both with equal segment counts and re-checked the dimensions.

The only physical difference I see between the antennas is the mounting bracket for the SP500, otherwise the two models are very similar.

I also added dimension notes for my settings at 27.205 mhz over Eznec's feature for Average Earth.
 

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194, I redid my Eznec models for my I-10K vs. Penetrator 500 without matching. I set them both with equal segment counts and re-checked the dimensions.

The only physical difference I see between the antennas is the mounting bracket for the SP500, otherwise the two models are very similar.

I also added dimension notes for my settings at 27.205 mhz over Eznec's feature for Average Earth.

Thank you very much for the info.
 
Thank you very much for the info.

194, I may be repeating myself, but I've never owned a SP500.

I have studied the idea however, but I'm not sure I have the dimensions right for the matcher...so it is just a guess.

I use to own a couple of old CLR2, and it is mounted the same with its raised-up radial system too. I always was impressed with that antenna. I had a friend that got me started in radio and he lived a good 60 miles away near Galveston, and we use to talk CB all the time using SSB, back in the beginning of that service mode when there wasn't much traffic out of band.

I've often wondered it this raising up of the radials didn't make the difference that folks have talked about with the old HyGain antennas...for ever it seems.

You see it made a little difference in models I posted earlier with the I-10K...without the matchers included. When I put the physical matcher in the model with series type matchers...I see the model produce both vertical and horizontal RF into the far field patten Eznec reports.

One day I will try and get back to the model and see if I can see more about how the off-set mounted radials might be effecting the antenna...mounted like they are. They may be doing something a little different too. The SP500 does not show near as much horizontal as the I-10K does with its big old trombone matcher attached. Even the Maco V58 with the matcher shows some horizontal in the antenna pattern and this surprised me when it popped up in these models. If this is fact and these 5/8 wave have this horizontal RF...then this may help explain how and why they work DX so well.
 
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the I10k is a redesigned spt500 . just made stronger and handle more power and
different tuning method. imho same antenna just 1 built heavier duty but i bet
they perform the same
 
the I10k is a redesigned spt500 . just made stronger and handle more power and
different tuning method. imho same antenna just 1 built heavier duty but i bet
they perform the same

Hey Hotrod, we do hear it said a lot...that a 5/8 wave is a 5/8 wave and I should not be one to complain, because I've reported that all of my CB vertical antennas seem to me to work about the same if I get the current maximums at or near the same height.

However, my Eznec modeling does suggest that with the the I-10K with the trombone matcher included in the model...the results look to produce both horizontal and vertical radiation with the vertical dominating a bit. I also see the same with my models for a Maco V58, and the SPT500, but neither of those show near as much horizontal in the pattern as the I-10K. Look close at the SP 500 model and you can see the small green line for the horizontal RF it produces...but it is not near as much as the I-10K. IMO, this is something we have to consider in our ideas about the I-10K and other 5/8 wave verticals.

I don't know why this happens, and I can only guess that maybe under skip conditions the horizontal noted in the I-10K might show us some additional benefits over the others.

I also have a Wolf Point .64 collinear ground plane and it too physically looks to function with all the bells and whistles for a major player in the 5/8 wave area, but it too is very big, and I just haven't worked it in the real world like I should have to see what it really can do either, but in 2011 my Signal Reports put it #1 performer in the recap results of all tests for that year. I have a model, but it has tapper in the model and Eznec does not deal well with element tapper, so I'll have to fix that and then I'll post that here too and we will sell if Exnec modeling might predict why it was #1.

The models are below. I added some notes. Compare the match for the models with no matcher compared to the I-10K with a matcher and you will see that the matcher is working and is a physical part of this antenna and should be included in the model to really tell what it is doing.

I also added an SWR bandwidth curve for the I-10 with matcher to show the very nice curve it produces for the model.

All the models are at 32' feet and mounted with Eznec's feature for Average Soil in the Earth.
 

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Hey Hotrod, we do hear it said a lot...that a 5/8 wave is a 5/8 wave and I should not be one to complain, because I've reported that all of my CB vertical antennas seem to me to work about the same if I get the current maximums at or near the same height.

However, my Eznec modeling does suggest that with the the I-10K with the trombone matcher included in the model...the results look to produce both horizontal and vertical radiation with the vertical dominating a bit. I also see the same with my models for a Maco V58, and the SPT500, but neither of those show near as much horizontal in the pattern as the I-10K. Look close at the SP 500 model and you can see the small green line for the horizontal RF it produces...but it is not near as much as the I-10K. IMO, this is something we have to consider in our ideas about the I-10K and other 5/8 wave verticals.

I don't know why this happens, and I can only guess that maybe under skip conditions the horizontal noted in the I-10K might show us some additional benefits over the others.

I also have a Wolf Point .64 collinear ground plane and it too physically looks to function with all the bells and whistles for a major player in the 5/8 wave area, but it too is very big, and I just haven't worked it in the real world like I should have to see what it really can do either, but in 2011 my Signal Reports put it #1 performer in the recap results of all tests for that year. I have a model, but it has tapper in the model and Eznec does not deal well with element tapper, so I'll have to fix that and then I'll post that here too and we will sell if Exnec modeling might predict why it was #1.

The models are below. I added some notes. Compare the match for the models with no matcher compared to the I-10K with a matcher and you will see that the matcher is working and is a physical part of this antenna and should be included in the model to really tell what it is doing.

I also added an SWR bandwidth curve for the I-10 with matcher to show the very nice curve it produces for the model.

All the models are at 32' feet and mounted with Eznec's feature for Average Soil in the Earth.
well you could be right. but for me i put up a antenna at my location if it works then great. if not try something else.far as computer modeling im no where smart enough to understand that .lol
 
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Hotrod I do the same.

I do the modeling because I enjoy the challenge and the activity. Occasionally, I do see something that could be interesting to talk about, and I will post something on that issue.

I learned something new about one of my models today...doing that very thing.

I talked some skip on my New Top One, and to an old friend on my radio that I had not heard from for a couple of years. I had some fun after I got to feeling better...having a rough start this AM.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Years,

Marconi
 
My SWR use to rise when the Penetrator 500 got wet, but I fixed that issue. I made a small improvement on the top insulator. No more high SWR's when it rains.
And I also made another improvement that increased power handling capabilities to at least 2500 watts.
 
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My SWR use to rise when the Penetrator 500 got wet, but I fixed that issue. I made a small improvement on the top insulator. No more high SWR's when it rains.
And I also made another improvement that increased power handling capabilities to at least 2500 watts.
Ranch55, thanks for resurrecting this old thread. I just read it from the beginning again and found it very interesting.

Why don't you share your "Fix" with us...there could be a few with similar issues and a little new info might help them too.

He had a version that could handle 25,000 watts as well. As I recall, the only difference between that and the I-10k was the connector for the feedline... He may still sell it.

Also, TVI is highly misunderstood. It is not an antennas fault that you have TVI. The antenna simply transmits the signal that it is fed to it. While it is true that some antennas are more resistant due to their natures, the cause of the problem that is TVI lies elsewhere. Fix the problem and no matter which antenna you use you won't have an issue...

The DB

DB, I read your old post above and I think you're right...there is a solution. I'm a bit late but I have a question or two.

You are suggesting there is a fix for the TVI problem, but you don't tell us what it is.

Can you share that fix with us and tell us what really causes the TVI...if it is not something wrong with the antenna?

Anybody else wishing to add their comments...would be good too.
 
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