Somebody in the link above with GHz24 used my handle as though I was in the discussion. The only thing I know about this is what you've referred to a time or two. I don't recall anybody asking me to consider a standard in that regard.
You were mentioned twice, once where ghz24 asked you a question in his first post, and once where I said I think you use some form of average ground. As I recall I was surprised that you didn't take part.
For me, like a fool, I assumed if Eznec had a ground choice called "Average" so I used it...until guys started telling me my models sucked compared to your models.
I started that way with 4nec2, until that discussion with ghz24. The only difference is I had to choose average ground every time as 4nec2 defaults to moderate ground.
Who beside me where you interested in establishing a standard for the ground used here?
I was interested in no such thing. I was only mentioning that I didn't use the Average ground options, and their were reasons for it that had nothing to do with showing good results. My entry into that conversation was meant for both you and bob. If I would have known it would have turned into this I wouldn't have said anything.
Steve, I believe you need to redo your in depth study of ground choices again.
Fair enough. I have learned more about grounds in general so I have more context to factor into said study. I wouldn't be looking at the listed grounds themselves, but the individual effects of conductivity and the dielectric constant and how they interact with each other. As time permits I am actually doing a forerunner study as we speak comparing the 4nec2 Fast, Mininec, Real, and Perfect grounds. Nothing in this study touches the earth below. I also want to study the actual antenna models with a direct connection to the earth. Then and only then will I do the study comparing ground qualities and their effects on antennas.
Which of these 4 look similar to your highly trained eyes? I'll give you a hint...the first pattern is "Average."
I never called my eyes highly trained. More experienced at looking at models compared to someone who has not had the modeling experience we have, sure, but not highly trained. That being said, to some people those two things are the same. Unless you are going to tell me someone who has never seen the results of an antenna model will see everything that you or I see when it comes to modeling?
Also, you are using one antenna model, we compared many, and in several cases average ground was distinctly not average. No other ground type had that happen, so questions arose and we agreed on the matter. Strangely, I think that thread was the last thread he posted in, or at least very near.
Frankly, I don't care, like I said above. If you use your Moderated, I will use my Very Poor.
Do what you think will produce the most accurate results. Anything other than this and it becomes you who is manipulating results.
I, personally, don't trust the Average ground. One single example of a model won't change the fact that I have seen several models of various different antennas do something completely different when it comes to average ground, then go back to looking like what poor and moderate grounds were doing when I moved up to good ground. So with my statement of creating models that produce the most accurate results, what am I to do, use a ground type that I have reason to not trust just to make someone else happy?
Are you really asking me to be dishonest with my modeling just so they match your models? And then essentially threaten to be dishonest with your models just to try and make them match mine if I don't? If you are going to play this game, how can you expect anyone to trust your models. I mean, you don't even have a technical reason to make such a change in your modeling practice, by your own admittance you are doing this simply to make the models we produce look like each other.
I mean, you don't even seem to be trying to understand where I am coming from, then you think that the one model that you made that doesn't have the effect I am talking about somehow overrules all of the models I have seen with this effect?
I am disappointed in your shallowness and lack of honesty on this matter.
The DB
