Ham gear on lower side band 38

There are a bunch of ham guys up my way on Cb it’s funny how when they are on ham bands they hate cbers and they won’t tell their ham buddies they talk on Cb. A few said if the ham guys new they wouldn’t talk to them or rag the crap out of them for it. Huh funny how it works

I just dont get it. The animosity the ham guys have for 11 meter. On Monday, im going to my second meeting of the local ham club. I cant wait to tell them that i have my extra ticket and dont have a ham rig yet. 38 LSB ANYONE?

xm49north7 said:

Hey all good, No beef, I was just surprised that Hams would use 27 mhz, I thought they would have other bands more suitable. My question was , why would ham guys WANT to run on 27 mhz

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I usually get to play radio a couple of times a month on the weekends. It's usually late in the evening. If 75m conditions are poor or people are too drunk to behave I'll talk on 11 meters where it's more civilized.

There are a couple of cool people on vhf/uhf simplex but they're usually on 11 meters. The repeaters activity is usually a mixture of watching paint dry or nails on a chalkboard.

CB is where I started and there are still some friends there. Most are older and when they're gone I'll probably be done with CB. I got burned out on the skip shooting years ago.

I use my ham rig because it makes good AM, has a good receiver and I don't need a driver for the 8877s. I also like to use adaptive predistortion and cb sets don't do that.

543_Dallas said:

I usually get to play radio a couple of times a month on the weekends. It's usually late in the evening. If 75m conditions are poor or people are too drunk to behave I'll talk on 11 meters where it's more civilized.

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LOL classic!

xm49,

the reason they come down to CB channels is because that's where everyone else is.

10 meters is very quiet even when there are skip conditions and it's because everyone would rather talk on 11 meters and be 'at ease' than talk on 10 meters and be 'at attention'.

if there is skip above 26mhz, everyone knows what freq will have guaranteed contacts and that is 27.385 LSB.

if they go up to 10 meters, they just pick an arbitrary freq to call CQ on, and hope that someone scans past that part of the band and picks them up.

its the same reason that lots of local CB talk has moved to channel 19. people tend to go where they know that others will be.

that's why CB will be the place to be when the zombie apocalypse happens.

do a google search for MUF (maximum usable frequency)
LC

xm49north7 said:

Do many people do this?? Run ham gear on cb. Why would ham guys want to run on 27 mhz?

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Yes many people do this and it is nothing new at all. There are of course at least some hams that are on CB with ham gear but many with ham gear are not hams. Just CBers WITH ham gear.
A little history about it in a nutshell...
Before CB was started in '58 or '59 ( I forget which it was) 11 meters was a ham band that got little use and was a band shared with a bunch of things like medical equipment such as diathermy that when used would wipe out the band if you were nearby a hospital. In 1969 I lived about a mile from one and diathermy would wipe out all 23 channels when being used. It was broadband and would float up and down essentially covering all the channels.

As a result 11 meters got little use by hams back in the 50's so they took it to use for CB radio.

There was a lot of ham gear that had 11 meters on it back then such as Johnson Viking and Heathkit DX100 as well as others and the receivers of the time as well. It took almost no time at all for some people to realize the advantages of using ham gear so many did who were more technical minded than the average CB user was.

Many years later say around 1970 use of ham gear took off like a rocket with the Yaesu FT-101 series and those radios having 11 meters on the bandswitch just needing a cut wire to enable it for transmitting.
Some realized that with other ham rigs they could ad or swap out a crystal and the rig would cover CB instead of a portion of the 10 meter ham band.
Some companies like Swan (a ham gear maker) saw the money to be had and manufactured 10/11 meter ham gear that primarily targeted the CB crowd. They had to adopt the name Siltronix for their Comanche and 1011 series of transceivers.

More current ham transceivers have general coverage receivers and are easily modified for general coverage transmit as well. Usually clip a wire or remove a diode or two.
All illegal as hell to transmit with on CB but there it is anyway!!

Then there is the whole story about the CB "export" radios!

loosecannon said:

LOL classic!

xm49,

the reason they come down to CB channels is because that's where everyone else is.

10 meters is very quiet even when there are skip conditions and it's because everyone would rather talk on 11 meters and be 'at ease' than talk on 10 meters and be 'at attention'.

if there is skip above 26mhz, everyone knows what freq will have guaranteed contacts and that is 27.385 LSB.

if they go up to 10 meters, they just pick an arbitrary freq to call CQ on, and hope that someone scans past that part of the band and picks them up.

its the same reason that lots of local CB talk has moved to channel 19. people tend to go where they know that others will be.

that's why CB will be the place to be when the zombie apocalypse happens.

do a google search for MUF (maximum usable frequency)
LC

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Some truth to that but for the largest part everyone is going to go to the band that has the most activity. 10, 12, and 15 are not going to be it these days. Most everyone will be on 20 and 40 for the most part.
On 10 the "go to frequency" is 28.380 or .400 or close to that.
Someone with a CB radio only has the 40 channels to go to so there is always more activity to find on one channel or another. As a ham you could be anywhere and impossible to find at any given time!

I heard that 11m is still a ham band in Japan. Is this true?

old goat 321 said:

I just dont get it. The animosity the ham guys have for 11 meter. On Monday, im going to my second meeting of the local ham club. I cant wait to tell them that i have my extra ticket and dont have a ham rig yet. 38 LSB ANYONE?

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New member here and first post. I was heavily into SWL & CB back in the late 70's and early 80s. Came back into the radio hobby a few years ago and got licensed. (AE)

In my area, a number of the amateur operators are also on 11m. No one hides it. I once asked - "Why are you guys on 11m?" The answer from the licensed operators was... "So we don't have to deal with ham operators"

I got a good chuckle out of that.

I consider myself a radio enthusiast and enjoy the amateur service and 11m. I have CB'ers and hams as friends. Mostly rag chewing on 11m and active on 40-10m HF digital. With the distance rule now history, 11m SSB is fun. As I write this, 11m is wide open with DX. 10 & 12 meters are /dead/..

Now, if we could get the rules changed to allow narrowband digital ops on 11m.. Hmm..FT-8 on 27.395 MHz USB anyone?

xm49north7 said:

I was just off the lower 38, skip had just gone out, two fellows started up on some ham gear, sounded really good, so I listened in for a while till they got to there gear, one fellow was running a Yaesu FT-101 260 watts of pep says wiki. Do many people do this?? Run ham gear on cb. Why would ham guys want to run on 27 mhz?

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Hey Wait a minute...

Are you saying there are radio operators that use CB's channels 37/38/39 in SSB Mode?

Never imagined trying that... my IC-718 stays on frequency WAY too well......

I have a lot of radios on different bands and modes at the same time, but my brain has trouble multitasking nowadays. So please don't get upset if I'm not DXing on 38 LSB while my mind is focused on 40 CW.

xm49north7 said:

So far quite happy with cb radio. My only wish is more people get involved.

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First my disclaimer - I don't run amateur gear on 11m.

But think about this you have a couple of guys running some presumably nice sounding good gear, that are probably more radio savy then many others you will hear on CB.
They are doing exactly what you want - they are creating more on air activity for you and others to listen to or join in.
If people turn on a CB and click around and don't hear anyone they probably won't hang around and keep the radio on. It also doesn't encourage them to be on very frequently.
Guys like you heard can help promote the hobby just by being active.

Here is a little jewel I dropped on this very subject not very long ago.
"I'll give you the best summation of this CB vs Ham I can. If you were an asshole before you got your ticket, you are now the same asshole with better equipment."

https://www.buzzfeed.com/norbertobriceno/have-you-ever-wondered-if-youre-an-asshole-take-this-tes

I am not sure why this sudden revelation of CB'ers running ham gear is a "New Thing"!
Amatuer radio gear has been used on CB band far back as the late 60's. This started once CB'ers found many Amatuer transmitters/receivers from the early 50's had 11 meter band on them.
Why?
This was because 11 meters was an Amatuer radio band in the US till 1958.
This became even more prevalent when the CB band was introduced to Sideband when Regency Imperials and some others could be modified to work single or double sideband. Then with sideband having greater range with less power the race was on.
Soon Johnson, Yaesu, Drake, Swan, Heathkit, Galaxy equipment etc. was finding it's way to 11 meter usage.
This has been even more prevalent when the age of CB soon began to lose general population interest, and CB radio manufactures basically quit improving designs.
Amatuer radio equipment has superior preformance over the redone and reworked old CB designs.
I am not saying I advocate the usage, just a matter of fact!
So not sure where the "rock" is some have been hiding under not to know this.
I would venture to say there are more IC-7300's on CB band than on the Amatuer bands presently.
Let's see, spend $500-$600+ on a reworked old design CB or Export rig or a couple hundred more and have a new Yaesu 450D, IC-7300 or many other used excellent Amatuer rigs that will simply outperform anything being produced or has been produced strictly for the CB service.
Let's see Kenwood 820-830's can be purchased for $250-$400 in excellent working condition...
Hmm, let's see run a Junk Export rig or a 25++ year old design CB rig; looking around what some want for those old CB rigs... If I was just starting in radio...what would I buy?
All the Best
Gary