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I believe things like this get blown out of proportion by those who try to overcompensate for other shortcomings.

All it does is make others feel self conscious about what they say. Before you know it everyone is walking on egg shells because they don't want to say the wrong thing. Conversations become awkward and it sounds like a couple of robots exchanging information.

In my profession environment it's common for acronyms to be spoken as words if they can be. The people that spell it out or speak out the acronym are the odd ones. They are usually salesmen, customers or someone that's clueless.
 
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...Sitting in line, listening to VHF/UHF mobile, in the car, waiting for coffee. It's a thing here, really. Baristas working feverishly to construct a "Trenti iced coffee, 12 pumps [sugar-free] vanilla, 12 pumps [sugar-free] hazelnut, 12 pumps [sugar-free] caramel, 5 pumps skinny mocha, a splash of soy, ice, double-blended!" (there's always one and they're always in front of me). When I hear this relating to VHF/UHF radio on a very broad coverage local repeater.

Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablesix with Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual Yeah Mike my educated deduction from the measurements you have from my mobile install lead me to believe I have a transmission line problem. Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablesix with Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual , over.

Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablesix from Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual (speaking over the full repeater ID tail) Paul I came to the same determination. I believe the vizwars can be virtually eliminated by adjusting the transmission line length. Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablesix from Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual over

Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablesix with Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual Mike, don't we first have to determine if those are positive or negative vizwars to identify if the transmission line is too long or too short? Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablesix with Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual over

Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablesix from Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual Paul I'm sure the differential measurements taken at the base of the antenna input and at the radio output will tell you that.
Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablesix from Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual over

Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablesix with Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual Mike , I'm predominately destinated here so we'll have to continue this Que Ess Oh via portable while I shuffle vehicles around. You know how the Howa gets about vehicles parked on the street and garage doors being open. Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablesix with Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual over.

Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablesix from Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual Well Paul Quirt for now and I'll look forward to hearing you on portablethree. Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablesix with Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual over,

Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablesix with Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual quirtz here and quizwhy to portablethree. Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablesix with Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual

Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablethree to Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual over

Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablethree from Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactualforidentification (again, talking over the complete repeater id tail)Your aparzz shows your position is different for Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablethree than for Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablesix I thought that was corrected with your last factory reset Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablethree from Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual over.

Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablethree with Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual We'll have to compare that with Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieactual when I get into the house over.

Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablethree from Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual It will be interesting to see if all three align. It's possible all three tranceivers need to be reset at the same time. over.

Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablethree with Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual I'll be quirtz from Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablethree and quizwhy to Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieactual when I'm completely destinated . Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablethree with Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual , Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablethree quirtz and quizwhy to Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieactual , Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablethree with Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual

As we are receiving our Mocha and two shots in a cup the barista who is a licensed technician and aspiring general ( cute ass* heck too) asks " what were they talking about?"

Repeater control operator...

N7LMO ...

Me

N7LMO from AF7XT

Dennis, What did I just hear ?

Bob, I assure you I have no idea.

N7LMO...

AF7XT...

To the barista , "Some amateur radio operators are far more amateur than operator"

Barista "So those two were morons?" ...

Neither my driver Kevin KI7CWV or myself were able to come up with words for several seconds. Attempting to speak through convulsive laughter, tears and a fair bit of coffee coming out the nose (I won't tell who..) compounded the problem. All the while yet another "Trenti iced coffee, 12 pumps [sugar-free] vanilla, 12 pumps [sugar-free] hazelnut, 12 pumps [sugar-free] caramel, 5 pumps skinny mocha, a splash of soy, ice, double-blended!" or some such waited behind us wondering what was going on as much as we did.

There is very little embellishment in this tale. The callsigns other than mine and Kevin's have been changed. Bob, the control operator, didn't even want to be associated with the above QSO by admitting to listening (I did ask). I relate it first for humor's sake and then as an example of a lack of mentoring by the established amateur community.

Alphafoxtrotsevenxraytango....

@K4KYV Thanks for the inspiration, it needed to be told ...

*use your imagination
 
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reposted whether you like it or not. Warning , may cause brain tumors in rats...

...Sitting in line, listening to VHF/UHF mobile, in the car, waiting for coffee. It's a thing here, really. Baristas working feverishly to construct a "Trenti iced coffee, 12 pumps [sugar-free] vanilla, 12 pumps [sugar-free] hazelnut, 12 pumps [sugar-free] caramel, 5 pumps skinny mocha, a splash of soy, ice, double-blended!" (there's always one and they're always in front of me). When I hear this relating to VHF/UHF radio on a very broad coverage local repeater.

Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablesix with Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual Yeah Mike my educated deduction from the measurements you have from my mobile install lead me to believe I have a transmission line problem. Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablesix with Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual , over.

Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablesix from Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual (speaking over the full repeater ID tail) Paul I came to the same determination. I believe the vizwars can be virtually eliminated by adjusting the transmission line length. Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablesix from Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual over

Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablesix with Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual Mike, don't we first have to determine if those are positive or negative vizwars to identify if the transmission line is too long or too short? Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablesix with Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual over

Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablesix from Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual Paul I'm sure the differential measurements taken at the base of the antenna input and at the radio output will tell you that.
Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablesix from Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual over

Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablesix with Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual Mike , I'm predominately destinated here so we'll have to continue this Que Ess Oh via portable while I shuffle vehicles around. You know how the Howa gets about vehicles parked on the street and garage doors being open. Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablesix with Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual over.

Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablesix from Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual Well Paul Quirt for now and I'll look forward to hearing you on portablethree. Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablesix with Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual over,

Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablesix with Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual quirtz here and quizwhy to portablethree. Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablesix with Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual

Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablethree to Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual over

Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablethree from Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactualforidentification (again, talking over the complete repeater id tail)Your aparzz shows your position is different for Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablethree than for Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablesix I thought that was corrected with your last factory reset Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablethree from Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual over.

Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablethree with Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual We'll have to compare that with Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieactual when I get into the house over.

Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablethree from Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual It will be interesting to see if all three align. It's possible all three tranceivers need to be reset at the same time. over.

Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablethree with Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual I'll be quirtz from Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablethree and quizwhy to Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieactual when I'm completely destinated . Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablethree with Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual , Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablethree quirtz and quizwhy to Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieactual , Doubleusevenalphabrovocharlieportablethree with Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual

As we are receiving our Mocha and two shots in a cup the barista who is a licensed technician and aspiring general ( cute ass* heck too) asks " what were they talking about?"

Repeater control operator...

N7LMO ...

Me

N7LMO from AF7XT

Dennis, What did I just hear ?

Bob, I assure you I have no idea.

N7LMO...

AF7XT...

To the barista , "Some amateur radio operators are far more amateur than operator"

Barista "So those two were morons?" ...

Neither my driver Kevin KI7CWV or myself were able to come up with words for several seconds. Attempting to speak through convulsive laughter, tears and a fair bit of coffee coming out the nose (I won't tell who..) compounded the problem. All the while yet another "Trenti iced coffee, 12 pumps [sugar-free] vanilla, 12 pumps [sugar-free] hazelnut, 12 pumps [sugar-free] caramel, 5 pumps skinny mocha, a splash of soy, ice, double-blended!" or some such waited behind us wondering what was going on as much as we did.

There is very little embellishment in this tale. The callsigns other than mine and Kevin's have been changed. Bob, the control operator, didn't even want to be associated with the above QSO by admitting to listening (I did ask). I relate it first for humor's sake and then as an example of a lack of mentoring by the established amateur community.

Alphafoxtrotsevenxraytango....

@K4KYV Thanks for the inspiration, it needed to be told ...

*use your imagination

Is "actual" in Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual being used as a phonetic? I heard a guy on the local repeater saying actual at the end of his callsign. There's no A in his callsign and I never figured out what he meant. I forgot about it until now.
 
This may be (most likely anyway) a case of the control operator and the repeater licensee being one in the same. I still don't see this as a necessary form of identification.
 
Is "actual" in Doubleusevenxrayyankeezebraactual being used as a phonetic?... There's no A in his callsign and I never figured out what he meant....

Thats a common term, mainly used in the Military. some EMCOMM types also use it now.

It basically means that the PERSON and the STATION are one and the same.

For example:

"blah, blah, blah, USS Enterprise, out" means some one on the Enterprise is controlling the radio.

"blah, blah, blah, USS Enterprise, Actual, out" means the (actual) Commanding officer of the Enterprise is controlling the radio
 
I believe things like this get blown out of proportion by those who try to overcompensate for other shortcomings.

All it does is make others feel self conscious about what they say. Before you know it everyone is walking on egg shells because they don't want to say the wrong thing. Conversations become awkward and it sounds like a couple of robots exchanging information.

In my profession environment it's common for acronyms to be spoken as words if they can be. The people that spell it out or speak out the acronym are the odd ones. They are usually salesmen, customers or someone that's clueless.

Acronyms are a failure in thinking. A failure in literacy. I’m not making this personal at any level as it’s all over the place.

It means the speaker never owns the concept he’s trying to convey.
Gobbledygook.

He’s past his level of competence.

Take this seriously and you’ll see what I’m getting at.

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Acronyms are a failure in thinking. A failure in literacy. I’m not making this personal at any level as it’s all over the place.

It means the speaker never owns the concept he’s trying to convey.
Gobbledygook.

He’s past his level of competence.

Take this seriously and you’ll see what I’m getting at.

.

I'm trying to take it seriously. I'll have to get back to you.
 
It’s more than coining new words. It’s the philosophical basis for communication. New words are a half step. Usually relegated to a specialty.

In religion, concepts don’t always translate. A language associated with one versus another makes this clear. To the point one or the other doesn’t “see” (acknowledge) what the other one does. A blind spot. Why texts exist, and go to length.

In the military acronyms are literally the substitute for thinking. If you get to wondering at some future date why an American mission of substantial size gets whupped by a peer or near-peer, start here.

Understand — most of all — that this doesn’t originate from the trenches. It’s an imposition from above.

Stringing acronyms together across a few sentences looks attractive. Like, shorthand. It’s anything but.

We nod, thinking we understand. As metaphor, once the place is on fire only then do the pretenses fall away. Our hands, empty, is the result.

The failure of language at a number of levels.

(Convey an office aside into a Morse transmission to a stranger. They must be able to act upon it as you would).

Government schooling was first an attack on language. It’s fluidity. If ever you hear someone deride the humanities in favor of science or business, be assured you are listening to a fool. What those have been turned into since the 19th is barely a shadow.

The Great Books are about language. They are easier to read, as the distillation of thought is what makes them stand out. “No wasted motion”, is how we today express such a sentiment. “High speed, low drag”. The machine is greater than the man . . so how did it get designed in the first place? (ha!).

Being told we may not speak of religion (attributes) isn’t about anything but keeping walled off what is most important. The scheme of relations.

What are the greatest orations you know? Lincoln’s Second? Pericles? Something of Shakespeare? Are acronyms present in other form?

An acronym has its place. Shorthand for a process to distinguish it from a related process. It’s in piling one on another that reveals the paucity of thought.

I’m not going to argue there’s an easy way out in specialized undertakings. The dilemma.

Facility in language is reserved for rulers. There is no more powerful tool, as that’s the guy set to take things over.
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It’s more than coining new words. It’s the philosophical basis for communication. New words are a half step. Usually relegated to a specialty.

In religion, concepts don’t always translate. A language associated with one versus another makes this clear. To the point one or the other doesn’t “see” (acknowledge) what the other one does. A blind spot. Why texts exist, and go to length.

In the military acronyms are literally the substitute for thinking. If you get to wondering at some future date why an American mission of substantial size gets whupped by a peer or near-peer, start here.

Understand — most of all — that this doesn’t originate from the trenches. It’s an imposition from above.

Stringing acronyms together across a few sentences looks attractive. Like, shorthand. It’s anything but.

We nod, thinking we understand. As metaphor, once the place is on fire only then do the pretenses fall away. Our hands, empty, is the result.

The failure of language at a number of levels.

(Convey an office aside into a Morse transmission to a stranger. They must be able to act upon it as you would).

.

Maybe you're on to something. International uses a ton of acronyms in their service manuals. Their product is crap and their technicians are a bunch of parts changers. :LOL:

I think were getting off base here. The original point was the guy saying viswar. Had he said "vee es double you arr" , or voltage standing wave ratio no one would have given it a second thought.

For some reason a people in the radio hobby like to make a big deal out of such things. It's more important to them to insult than educate. Some folks on a certain radio forum would be mad at me now. Amateur radio is a service and thay can't stand for it to be called a hobby.
 

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