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This post is for passing on the latest / current "scoop" relating to the Solarcon MAX 2000.
1. I sent an email to Wells CB Radio requesting information relating to (true or false) if the total length of the MAX 2000 has been shortened and is just about useless for 11 meter band.
2. I called Solarcon and was informed that the MAX 2000 has "not" been shortened.
3. I received an email reply from Wells CB Radio stating they called the "new" owner of Solarcon and they told Wells that the MAX 2000 has definitely been shortened. Wells has returned thirteen (13) Max 2000 antennas because they could not be tuned for 27 Mhz.
No one knows how much shorter the new MAX 2000 is. I know nothing about radios, electronics, I Pads (ha! ha!), computers, etc. etc., but I am curious as to what is the optimum / ideal length antenna for the 10 meter band. I thought the 24' length MAX 2000 can also be used for ten meter band by adjusting the tuning rings.
 

Somehow, .............................I kinda remember a formula to determine the wave length at a particular frequency.


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I found an interesting and educational article relating to the I-MAX 2000 written by; Dave K3... on 29 Nov. 2010.
1. I-MAX: I = Current and MAX = Maximum. The I-MAX will withstand a maximum of 2000 watts.
2. Never swap out the top 8' (96") fiberglass section on the 2000 with a 102" steel whip because it will cause bad SWR.
3. The factory settings of the tuning rings should never be adjusted for 10 meters or 11 meters unless for exceptional fine tuning the SWR for a specific / designated channel to be used.
4. The tuning rings are set for Channel 20 and should be just about even on the other channels. Using an antenna tuner, this antenna can also be used for 12, 15 and 17 meters.
My interpretation of the article is; if you have to adjust the tuning rings for 11 meter CB channels, return the antenna.

The guys on this forum who are adjusting the tuning rings different than the factory settings to obtain a good SWR reading probably have a defective antenna or the tuning rings vibrated during shipping, or they have a shorter antenna.
If the manufacturer designed the MAX 2000 specifically for 11 meter CB frequency, why in the h*** didn't they insert "set screws" in the tuning rings? If the antenna was to be used for other bands, just remove the set screws and adjust the rings.
It would have been nice if the factory provided a reference measurement for the location of the rings in the event the rings did vibrate during shipping.
 
Recon, here is a review from CB Radio Magazine you may find interesting.

http://cbradiomagazine.com/Antenna Reviews/Imax 2000/Imax 2000 Antenna Review.html

Road Squawker, there is some talk about calculator math for the 5/8 wave, including Velocity Factor in the link above.

My Imax was very broad banded while working <> 70' feet of feed line. I recall the BW was so wide when using a CB radio it showed a very low SWR the entire CB bandwidth...like a straight line with no curve. Using my VA1 analyzer the antenna showed more than 4 MHz <1.50:1 SWR. I would think that would put the match >29 MHz and possibly still showing close to 1.50:1 SWR.

Has anybody asked 357 if he measured and recorded the dimensions for one of the Max 2000 he returned?

357, did you ever hear back from Solarcon after they received your returns. They make a promise in their manual to do just that if you included contact information with returns.


IMO, something just isn't jiving here.
 
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Recon, here is a review from CB Radio Magazine you may find interesting.

http://cbradiomagazine.com/Antenna Reviews/Imax 2000/Imax 2000 Antenna Review.html

Road Squawker, there is some talk about calcularot math for the 5/8 wave, including Velocity Factor in the link above.

My Imax was very broad banded while working <> 70' feet of feed line. I recall the BW was so wide when using a CB radio it showed a very low SWR the entire CB bandwidth...like a straight line with no curve. Using my VA1 analyzer the antenna showed more than 4 MHz <1.50:1 SWR. I would think that would put the match >29 MHz and possibly still showing close to 1.50:1 SWR.

Has anybody asked 357 if he measured and recorded the dimensions for one of the Max 2000 he returned? 357 did you ever hear ba ck from Solarcon after they received your returns. They make a promise in their manual to do just that if you included contact information with returns.

IMO, something just isn't jiving.
As per email from Bells, Solarcon has a new owner and they admitted that the MAX 2000 has been shortened. Bells has returned 13 MAX 2000 antennas to Solarcon.
Also, on Google, type-in: Solarcon I-MAX 2000 the perfect antenna for ham radio use..… Nice article written by a Ham, Dave K3... in 2010.
 
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Recon, here is a review from CB Radio Magazine you may find interesting.

http://cbradiomagazine.com/Antenna Reviews/Imax 2000/Imax 2000 Antenna Review.html

Road Squawker, there is some talk about calcularot math for the 5/8 wave, including Velocity Factor in the link above.

My Imax was very broad banded while working <> 70' feet of feed line. I recall the BW was so wide when using a CB radio it showed a very low SWR the entire CB bandwidth...like a straight line with no curve. Using my VA1 analyzer the antenna showed more than 4 MHz <1.50:1 SWR. I would think that would put the match >29 MHz and possibly still showing close to 1.50:1 SWR.

Has anybody asked 357 if he measured and recorded the dimensions for one of the Max 2000 he returned?

357, did you ever hear back from Solarcon after they received your returns. They make a promise in their manual to do just that if you included contact information with returns.


IMO, something just isn't jiving here.
That is a good question for 357.
I guess we will have to wait until someone gets a MAX 2000 for his/her 10 meter radio to find out the new length.
 
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Hi all,

I might have an answer to the IMAX2000 conundrum but i don't think anyone is going to like it.

about a month ago i started looking into buying some telescoping pieces of fiberglass tubing for my new antenna install.

i was looking at Max Gain systems, and found on their site that recently there had been a change to the maximum height dimension that they would ship for normal rates.

I believe it used to be 96 inches for both UPS and FedEx, but maybe someone else can confirm that.

Now the max height they allow is 93 inches.
Im sure you can see where im going with this.

Max Gain had a big paragraph on this that i can't find now, but it said that because of this change, they were now cutting all of their "8 foot lengths" at 93 inches instead of 96".

I would imagine that any manufacturer that sells and ships products that are 96" long would have made this change, and it is just sad that Solarcon seems to have just cut the top of the whip off with no other re-design of the antenna, because, hey F!ck it it's just CB radio after all.

I really believe this to be the case here, and maybe someone with a bad IMAX can measure the top section and tell us if it is indeed 93 inches now.

if this is true, then NO ONE should buy any more IMAX antennas until they address this issue.

i also fear this will be affecting more than just this antenna but dont know of any other examples off hand.
LC
 
Recon, here is a review from CB Radio Magazine you may find interesting.

http://cbradiomagazine.com/Antenna Reviews/Imax 2000/Imax 2000 Antenna Review.html

Road Squawker, there is some talk about calcularot math for the 5/8 wave, including Velocity Factor in the link above.

My Imax was very broad banded while working <> 70' feet of feed line. I recall the BW was so wide when using a CB radio it showed a very low SWR the entire CB bandwidth...like a straight line with no curve. Using my VA1 analyzer the antenna showed more than 4 MHz <1.50:1 SWR. I would think that would put the match >29 MHz and possibly still showing close to 1.50:1 SWR.

Has anybody asked 357 if he measured and recorded the dimensions for one of the Max 2000 he returned?

357, did you ever hear back from Solarcon after they received your returns. They make a promise in their manual to do just that if you included contact information with returns.


IMO, something just isn't jiving here.
I agree.
At first, Solarcon informed Bells CB Radio that the rational behind the shorter antenna was because of shipping costs. I think (as I did) Wells called the Solarcon phone number listed online and later called the new owners of Solarcon to get the true scoop. I would not be surprised if the shorter MAX 2000 will be shipped in the original longer carton. Unless we had to assemble an antenna (like the old days) where the length of the mast and radials had to be just right, how many of us would measure a new antenna? Hats-off to Bells for posting a statement about the shorter antennas. I am curious as to how much shorter the antenna would have to be to prevent obtaing a good SWR. One, two, three inches short?
 
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Hi all,

I might have an answer to the IMAX2000 conundrum but i don't think anyone is going to like it.

about a month ago i started looking into buying some telescoping pieces of fiberglass tubing for my new antenna install.

i was looking at Max Gain systems, and found on their site that recently there had been a change to the maximum height dimension that they would ship for normal rates.

I believe it used to be 96 inches for both UPS and FedEx, but maybe someone else can confirm that.

Now the max height they allow is 93 inches.
Im sure you can see where im going with this.

Max Gain had a big paragraph on this that i can't find now, but it said that because of this change, they were now cutting all of their "8 foot lengths" at 93 inches instead of 96".

I would imagine that any manufacturer that sells and ships products that are 96" long would have made this change, and it is just sad that Solarcon seems to have just cut the top of the whip off with no other re-design of the antenna, because, hey F!ck it it's just CB radio after all.

I really believe this to be the case here, and maybe someone with a bad IMAX can measure the top section and tell us if it is indeed 93 inches now.

if this is true, then NO ONE should buy any more IMAX antennas until they address this issue.

i also fear this will be affecting more than just this antenna but dont know of any other examples off hand.
LC
Yeah, you're on to something!
No one has verified that Solarcon has cut only the top of the top section, or did they cut 3" on each section? I'm guessing that just a 3" trim job off of one section would be enough to prevent getting an acceptable SWR on 11 meter.
Yeah you're right again. It's just a CB issue, so why should / would Solarcon consider making an antenna with four shorter sections to add up to 24' for CB when they can trim the existing antenna and keep customers who use the other frequencies / bands?
 
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Hi all,

I might have an answer to the IMAX2000 conundrum but i don't think anyone is going to like it.

about a month ago i started looking into buying some telescoping pieces of fiberglass tubing for my new antenna install.

i was looking at Max Gain systems, and found on their site that recently there had been a change to the maximum height dimension that they would ship for normal rates.

I believe it used to be 96 inches for both UPS and FedEx, but maybe someone else can confirm that.

Now the max height they allow is 93 inches.
Im sure you can see where im going with this.

Max Gain had a big paragraph on this that i can't find now, but it said that because of this change, they were now cutting all of their "8 foot lengths" at 93 inches instead of 96".

I would imagine that any manufacturer that sells and ships products that are 96" long would have made this change, and it is just sad that Solarcon seems to have just cut the top of the whip off with no other re-design of the antenna, because, hey F!ck it it's just CB radio after all.

I really believe this to be the case here, and maybe someone with a bad IMAX can measure the top section and tell us if it is indeed 93 inches now.

if this is true, then NO ONE should buy any more IMAX antennas until they address this issue.

i also fear this will be affecting more than just this antenna but dont know of any other examples off hand.
LC
Maybe the UPS and FedEx trucks have gotten smaller....ha! ha! Its all about marketing and greed. I recently bought a package of 7 (could not find a package of 2, 4, 6 or 8) Ring Terminals for 10 /12 gage wire. What's up with that BS?
 
Hi all,

I might have an answer to the IMAX2000 conundrum but i don't think anyone is going to like it.

about a month ago i started looking into buying some telescoping pieces of fiberglass tubing for my new antenna install.

i was looking at Max Gain systems, and found on their site that recently there had been a change to the maximum height dimension that they would ship for normal rates.

I believe it used to be 96 inches for both UPS and FedEx, but maybe someone else can confirm that.

Now the max height they allow is 93 inches.
Im sure you can see where im going with this.

Max Gain had a big paragraph on this that i can't find now, but it said that because of this change, they were now cutting all of their "8 foot lengths" at 93 inches instead of 96".

I would imagine that any manufacturer that sells and ships products that are 96" long would have made this change, and it is just sad that Solarcon seems to have just cut the top of the whip off with no other re-design of the antenna, because, hey F!ck it it's just CB radio after all.

I really believe this to be the case here, and maybe someone with a bad IMAX can measure the top section and tell us if it is indeed 93 inches now.

if this is true, then NO ONE should buy any more IMAX antennas until they address this issue.

i also fear this will be affecting more than just this antenna but dont know of any other examples off hand.
LC
Did you see this notice from Max-Gain? What a joke! You can't get a true 4' piece of fiberglass rod.
This will slightly affect 4 foot goods as they are routinely cut from 8 foot goods. If a “4 footer” is cut from a 93 inch piece we will now be cutting the long piece “in-half”. This will make 4 foot goods approximately 46.5 inches long. This transition has been taking place over the month of August 2019. This will now be in effect!
 
No one has verified that Solarcon has cut only the top of the top section, or did they cut 3" on each section? I'm guessing that just a 3" trim job off of one section would be enough to prevent getting an acceptable SWR on 11 meter.

Recon, consider this. The 5/8 wave vertical is not a resonant length antenna...thus we see Maco's V58 at a much shorter length than the Imax, SP500, etc. Among these later antennas, among others, we also see differences in lengths. IMO all these different lengths...are likely due to the differences in the matching systems used. The notable differences here may also be that the Imax matching system provides for an abundance of bandwidth compared to the other 5/8 waves that show relatively shorter BW curves, etc.

Thus IMO, the very broad BW of the Imax should easily allow for a very low working match <2.00:1 SWR for 10, 11, 12 meter from 28 - 25 Mhz is 3 MHz, and maybe more. Based on my recollections...I seem to recall my Imax, without a GPK, the overall BW was closer to 5 MHz when using a long feed line. Maybe not as much at the antenna feed point.

Yeah you're right again. It's just a CB issue, so why should / would Solarcon consider making an antenna with four shorter sections to add up to 24' for CB when they can trim the existing antenna and keep customers who use the other frequencies / bands?

Solarcon could also make an Imax specifically for the 10 meter band, but making it 4 sections for CB would seem to me a big added investment, and maybe they were concerned that CB is not booming these days. Making the Imax shorter by cutting the tip only...will not solve the issue for shipping as noted here either.

Note: Sirio chose to make their 5/8 wavelength Gain Mast into 4 sections instead of three...and maybe for several good reasons. Their antenna also has a very broad bandwidth. Ideas change over time as does the market place and consumers.

The ideas about the Gain Master and their wide BW has been pretty well discussed and understood of late. However, I don't think this antenna is generally discussed in the Ham community...as being somewhat mult-banded, like some Ham operators do regarding the Imax.

IMO the big difference between the Imax and the GM, is the GM does a great job of minimizing CMC's, and the Imax does not. Could the combination of the Imax and the feed line and mast radiating almost as well as the radiator...have implications for it being somewhat multi-banded? That possible use is likely of little interest to the CB community.

Below in the PDF file is an image taken from an Imax 2000 Manual and noted with a (*) for this point of interest about specification and changes.

Solarcon is telling us that construction variations are possible and also that advancements in their design can require changes in the dimensions. They tell us, they can do this without notice. Like it or not, the policy is in the fine print.

They also offer solutions for problems and advise owners to contact their dealer if not satisfied. They also have a product return procedure and policy. They either honor this or not, and in my experience the policy worked as stated and I hoped for.

Yesterday, I called an old CB buddy that I've heard on 10 meters many times, but I never took note of his call sign as I'm not a Ham. I haven't visited with him since 2002, but we did talk on the phone a bit. Two years ago DB (his CB handle) ask me if I had an Imax that he could buy, and I sold him a new one still in the box. He called me later and reported the Imax was working fine and had a better match than he expected at about 40' feet on his tower.

He also told me he recently had his 3rd stoke in a year and was still weak, so I didn't quiz him much. I did ask him my question however, if he ever checked and recorded the <2.00:1 SWR bandwidth in his log, and he said no. He also suggested the Imax, without a GPK, worked well lower in frequency, but he didn't remember the details.

He also told me he was in a group, I think on FaceBook, that discussed the multiband ideas for EFHW antennas and the Imax in particular. He said, that is why he was looking for an Imax. I wanted to try and pick his brain, but he was sick. Hopefully, I can follow up later.

I also remember years ago talking to someone, supposedly a tech guy at Solarcon. I had just learned some ideas about Common Mode Current here on the forum from Bob85, and he was claiming the A99 was probably the best candidate to demonstrate those bad effects. If these conversations were not too far back, prior to some dubious WWDX updates...where files were lost...a forum Search might find something along these lines.

What I heard from this Solarcon expert was the sometimes CMC can be beneficial for how a particular antenna might perform even if other issues prevail. He said the A99 was such an example...using the coax shield to improve the net radiated signals in a constructive way. He said he could not elaborate further at the time. He did follow up and emailed me a White Paper Report explaining this idea in simple words. I wish I still had that paper. All of my testing over the years for the A99 are gone missing.

Somewhere I have heard or read that the Imax without the GPK will allow the antenna to perform multi band somewhat. I'm curious and sure there is someone out there that has worked an Imax and could confirm or deny this idea.:unsure:
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after reading 2 different threads about this,, my question is the max 2000 the same antenna as the imax 2000,, i remember years ago when antron 99 was the thing then the partners split and the new owner had to drop the the antron and thus became the a 99,,,,, man i am glad i only use wire and metal antennas,,,,,
 

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