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Base The advantages of stacking beams.

M0GVZ

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I put this in as an answer to a question about stacked antennas but decided it was worthy of being a post on the subject itself.

So the question asked was what is the benefit of stacking antennas?

A description from Steve G3TXQ (SK):

"An HF signal which propagates via the ionosphere will arrive at the receiver site at some angle above the horizon - we call that elevation angle the "Angle of Arrival"(AoA). The AoA depends on many factors. Obviously simple geometry tells us that the closer the Receiver site is to the Transmitter site, the higher the AoA is likely to be; however there are many other factors at play including the effective height of the ionosphere and the number of "hops" the signal takes, which in turn depend on the frequency, the time of day, the season of the year, and the point in the sunspot cycle.

It helps to know the likely AoA for a particular path because if we compare it to the elevation pattern of an antenna it helps us judge how well that antenna might perform over that particular path.
The ARRL undertook a major project in 1993 to tabulate the arrival angles for signals between major areas of the globe using a computer prediction programme called IONCAP. Many thousands of predictions were run for all levels of solar activity, for all months of the year, and for all hours of the day, and the results were presented statistically as the probability that a particular AoA would be experienced.
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The full ARRL data set is available on the CD which comes with the Antenna Book.

Consideration 1:
So what you have is that at different distances, and therefore parts of the globe, the angles are different. Nearer DX will come in at a higher angle than more distant DX.

Here are the charts for the UK for various parts of the world. As you can see, the further away you get, the lower the angle the signals are coming in at. For CB concentrate on the 10m band as it's basically the same as 11m.

(Courtesy of G3TXQ, sadly SK)

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Consideration 2: We know from antenna modelling of a beam as you increase the height of the antenna the take off angle of the lobe with the biggest gain lowers and we also get some quite severe nulls appearing in the elevation pattern. Once you get to around a wavelength long the gain curve gets dips in it at certain angles. When you get to two wavelengths long it gets multiple dips.

(Courtesy of G3TXQ, SK)

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The problem:

So the problem you have is if you put up an antenna 2 wavelengths high to get the most distance you've got -15dB gain for signals coming in from a few hundred miles away. I've experienced this myself in contesting where I've had a yagi up at 60ft on a wind up tower and not been able to hear anything at all on 10m below 1200 miles despite it being the peak of the solar cycle at the time. When you look at the statistics for 10m for Europe which is 100-1200 miles for me all the signals fall into that -15dB null in the gain chart for a 2 wavelength high antenna. So if you're in the USA and you wanted to hear DX from the States you'd have trouble hearing those states fairly close to you. So you put the antenna lower so you can hear DX from the US but then you lose the stuff several thousand miles away.

The solution:

Stacked antennas. By stacking antennas you get the advantages of the gains at the various take off angles you want so you can hear the nearby stuff on one half a wavelength high when the one 2 wavelengths high can't and the one two wavelengths high can still get all that lovely DX from the other side of the world which the one half a wavelength high can't hear.

There's an Australian, Ian VK3MO, who is very prominent on 20m band. He runs a tower with four stacked 20m quads. Each antenna can be used on its own or all antennas can be run together. He can hear a gnat fart on the other side of the planet no matter how bad the conditions. I first talked to him at the bottom of the last solar cycle using 10W and a home made 20m dipole put up as an inverted V with the top just 16ft high.

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As an aside when you look at the gain graph and look at the arrival angle statistics for 10m (and therefore CB 11m) if you're just going to be using a single dipole or beam then sticking between 18 to 36ft high is going to give you the best all round performance.

At a half wavelength high, or 16ft, you're only going to be around 1-2 S points down on putting it at 36ft for DX but for more local contacts you'll be well up.

At a wavelength high, or 36ft, you'll lose out to putting it at 16ft by several S points for more local contacts so if you're wondering why you can't hear stuff 30,40,50,60 miles away that even someone with an Antron A99 can hear then that's your answer.
 
I've run my 5 element yagi (horizonal) @ 36' for the past 38 years now and for me it has done a really good job on the 11 meter band.

It has also worked very well over the years on backscatter here in the state; 90 - 195 miles.
 
I definitely think that's the way to go. I used to think there was no such thing as having an antenna too high but found out that there is. Fortunately it was using radio club gear and a portable versatower mast, not after I'd spent a load of money, time and effort putting up a 60ft tower.
 
I really wished now that I would of spent the money and put up a 40 or 50' crank up, that would of the probably the best thing to do.
But - I've been more than enough happy with the 36'.

If I am not mistaken, which sometimes I am, I do believe that you can lose more back door rejection the higher you go.

Also - I really like that pictured you posted, really a nice tower/beams.
 
I've always run my antennas at 36'. Where I'm located in Colombia there is NO local traffic up to 200 miles away. There are several stations operating very close to us (within 10 kms). I gave them radios and antennas so they could shoot the s**t at night and have emergency communication during the day. Actually the stay-at-home wives ratchet jaw like crazy during the day. When my wife or I jump in there we use my A99, which is next to the farmhouse at about 20' or so.
Personally, I think that stacked antennas on 11 meters have too much of a downside. The wind loading on a pair of stacked 11M beams is enormous. A set of stacked fours would have a wind load area exceeding 15 sq. ft. That's like hanging a 3' x 5' piece of plywood up there. Also, it's very difficult to run 11M stacked in horizontal polarization (which in my experience is the way to go for best dxing ). I would only run stacked if I had a crank-up tower and could bring the antenna down when not in use or in bad weather.

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