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10 and 12 m exports

Boy has this turned into a diaper full of poo ...

Put on your big boy pants and get over it ... Like your the only one that has ever had anything done to one's self ... 10 meter "EXPORT" radio pose less of a problem than illegal aliens, corrupt politicians and the price of eggs at the local market, not to mention the ever increasing price of condoms.

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all the people that want the FCC to "crack down" on export radios, restrict radio sales, and confiscate all the illegal radio equipment in the country need to remember something.

what you are advocating is bordering on fascism, and that is a VERY slippery slope once you start down that path.

Oh good grief! There are plenty of products that are not allowed into the USA for one reason or another. One of the most recent and egregious examples was the Consumer Product Safety Commission banning the sale of small ATVs and motorcycles for kids under the age of 14 under the guise of lead content. What were the kids going to do, eat the spark plugs? It was a very stupid decision that may still be in effect due to the Chinese lead scare of a few years ago. So banning radios whose only real purpose is to flout Part 95 rules is just one more thing in a long and tawdry list of products that we can't (legally) get our hands on here in the USA.

Where was all this outrage when bottle rockets were banned when I was a kid? What about lawn darts? Or 100 Watt incandescent light bulbs that will be banned in the not too distant future?

Despite all protestations to the contrary, the so-called "export" radios are as useful on the ham bands as a snub-nose .38 is for deer hunting. Certainly, both could be used in those respective roles, but serious practitioners will soon find that there are better tools suited for the job at hand.
 
Well what I don't get is how can a LOCAL government push specific rules reguarding radio equipment or who can transmit on what frequency is that how can you tell where the ORIGINAL signal came from, for example durning skip condition on 11 meters, how do you know exactly where the other operater signal is coming from, You cant :w00t: , there's no definative way to find the original souce of that signal.:bdh:

T23
 
EXACTLY, the 150 mile rule for CB is stupid!

Breaker Breaker this is El presidente de la República de Chile 42 cmon. (y)
 
EXACTLY, the 150 mile rule for CB is stupid!

Breaker Breaker this is El presidente de la República de Chile 42 cmon. (y)

The thing is, just because you can HEAR a signal doesn't mean you HAVE to work it. Just because your car will do 110 doesn't mean you have to DO it. ;) The rationale "I can't help it its there" is not valid and it simply causes MORE noise and interference. SURE, it's THERE; it doesn't mean you must act on it.

GF
 
The thing is, just because you can HEAR a signal doesn't mean you HAVE to work it. Just because your car will do 110 doesn't mean you have to DO it. ;) The rationale "I can't help it its there" is not valid and it simply causes MORE noise and interference. SURE, it's THERE; it doesn't mean you must act on it.

GF

But how can anyone prove the distance on CB

Lets say your in Los Angeles and I am in New York, we hear each other and start talking. Neither one of know where the other is, and there is no call sign to give every ten minutes, no requirement to ask where each is at, so how can it be enforced?
 
You know, it isn't a matter of if it 'could' be done, but if it's a matter of if it was thought to be worth doing. Of course it can be done, and I think you know it.
- 'Doc
 
Well the same applys to 10m... Eatch Country or Government has different laws and regualtions, in one country working 10m without a license is legal, and in the U.S its not, but how can they inforce such rules and regulations when they can't even tell if my signal orginates from here in the U.S?


T23
 
Well the same applys to 10m... Eatch Country or Government has different laws and regualtions, in one country working 10m without a license is legal, and in the U.S its not, but how can they inforce such rules and regulations when they can't even tell if my signal orginates from here in the U.S?


T23


The highlighted text above is WRONG. Amateur radio bands are internationally allocated. The 10m band is to be used by licensed amateurs regardless of the country.
 
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Well the same applys to 10m... Eatch Country or Government has different laws and regualtions, in one country working 10m without a license is legal, and in the U.S its not, but how can they inforce such rules and regulations when they can't even tell if my signal orginates from here in the U.S?


T23



The highlighted text above is WRONG. Amateur radio bands are internationally allocated. The 10m band is to be used by licensed amateurs regardless of the country.

Captain is 100% correct, amateur radio is covered by International agreements by the ITU. However CB ( in the U.S.) is solely governed by the FCC the ITU would never be stupid enough to try to enact rules they could never enforce.

73
Jeff
 
Well the same applys to 10m... Eatch Country or Government has different laws and regualtions, in one country working 10m without a license is legal, and in the U.S its not, but how can they inforce such rules and regulations when they can't even tell if my signal orginates from here in the U.S?


T23

You'd be astonished at what they can find with reference to radio signals in the US. It's like the popular myth that "I'm mobile, so they can't find me". Nothing could be farther from the truth! That might have been true circa 1965, but not anymore. You HAVE heard of Magellan and OnStar, right? The Fed's systems are like that on STEROIDS!

Actually, most countries, except for what we would call "rogue" nations, have signed treaties with regard to not only 10 Meters, but for ALL radio frequencies. The body that presides over such matters is called the "International Telecommunications Union", or "ITU" for short. This world body meets periodically to meet new technological challenges, make changes in frequency assignments and resolve disputes among nations. In most countries, it is NOT OK to transmit on ANY frequency just 'cause. Ten Meters just happens to be a hotbed of this illegal activity because it is adjacent to 11 Meters whose users seem to have a penchant for outlaw mentalities and even a full-blown desire to break/resist any restrictions on their behaviors. It even is more than tempting for those affected by such outlaws to use the phrase, "consider the source".

In the USA (which is the one most of us must consider since we live here mainly.........and I am assuming Americans are in the majority on this site), it seems to be most rampant, this CB thing about being an outlaw, chafing under ANY restrictions on their behaviors, using equipment that permits operations that interfere with other users. AND, moreover, rejoicing at this ability to mess up other users; indeed, it is often seen as a virtue (stomping 'mudducks' as it were) rather than a hallmark of a less-than desirable person that has little understanding of what he's doing. Then when he ACHIEVES this "triumph" that, to HIM, is so glorious, he then can't understand why the amateur community becomes indignant, derides CB radio, mocks their, lingo and trashes the "band-switched" "10 Meter 'amateur' radios" that they are not supposed to be using to START with!!!
To HIM, he's got a fundamental "right" to go on a non-existent "freeband", yak on "them funny channels", clip components that make the radio sound HORRIBLE, and interfere with whom he jolly well pleases. How DARE anyone question his ability to do so, right? Let's forget about the ones who simply followed the law, obtained certain privileges by so doing, OBEYED the regulations, OPERATES with LEGAL equipment. What about them? If the CB outlaws had THEIR way, NOBODY would be able to use a radio....NOT EVEN THEM!!!!!!!!

The rule governing distance is there for a reason. Just because you HEAR someone far away does not mean you HAVE to work 'em. IF you DO learn that the person is 'out 'tar in skipland", you simply politely END the convo and go on. That's how it was done in more a genteel era of licensing and ladies and gentlemen who had RESPECT for themselves AND others! Just because your car will make 90 MPH, you don't HAVE to drive 90! Because your car has a steering wheel, does that mean you MUST steer the car off a mountain? It does NOT! You don't HAVE to "work skip" just because it is there. That is a straw man to excuse a deliberate act and facilitate such.

CWM
 
this CB thing about being an outlaw, chafing under ANY restrictions on their behaviors, using equipment that permits operations that interfere with other users. AND, moreover, rejoicing at this ability to mess up other users; indeed, it is often seen as a virtue (stomping 'mudducks' as it were) rather than a hallmark of a less-than desirable person that has little understanding of what he's doing. Then when he ACHIEVES this "triumph" that, to HIM, is so glorious, he then can't understand why the amateur community becomes indignant, derides CB radio, mocks their, lingo and trashes the "band-switched" "10 Meter 'amateur' radios" that they are not supposed to be using to START with!!!
To HIM, he's got a fundamental "right" to go on a non-existent "freeband", yak on "them funny channels", clip components that make the radio sound HORRIBLE, and interfere with whom he jolly well pleases. How DARE anyone question his ability to do so, right? Let's forget about the ones who simply followed the law, obtained certain privileges by so doing, OBEYED the regulations, OPERATES with LEGAL equipment. What about them? If the CB outlaws had THEIR way, NOBODY would be able to use a radio....NOT EVEN THEM!!!!!!!!
You should not lump anyone that has a CB into a class of person that is uneducated, uncivilized and intent on causing chaos.
There are still plenty of legitimate CB users in the US and they simply would like for the FCC to open there eyes and let CB move ahead with the technology and times of the present.
If you judged all Amateur radios Op`s by the Misfits that hang out on the HF Bands like you do everyone that uses CB, the service would have been abolished long ago. If you only focus on the bad.....that is all you see.
Try to look at the positive side of different radio services.


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