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sigma four 27Mhz

ndophir

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can we get detail information sigma four work at 27Mhz
i want to know about sigmafour's long arm, diameter loop and long gamma match
we plan make homebrew this antenna
maybe some members can give me detail information
thankyou
NDOPHIR from Indonesia
 
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um, there are like three threads already going about this antenna in this section alone.
maybe you should start by reading those.
LC
 
i am a new CB'er, i was download sigma 4 in 'cbtricks' but i don't now work frequency this antenna, i want make this antenna work at 27.305 Mhz

ndophir, regarding your question above. Loosecannon suggested there are several threads discussing the Sigma4 styled antenna at length in this section of WWRF Forum. I doubt you'll get the specific answer you request, but the ideas and experiences discussed might be interesting to read.

Among others, you will read that Bob85 and Shockwave both have much practical experience getting the maximum responses out of this fine antenna design by Avanti. I have an original Antenna Specialists version of the Avanti Sigma IV, but I have not experimented with it like Bob and SW have. They both talk about making measurable gain or angle of radiation improvements by extending the radiator and radial lengths beyond the factory default settings of the 3/4 wave to a 7/8 wavelength. This works out to be about a 3' foot difference which should dramatically affect the frequency question you pose. So, if you have read these words---then I'm not surprised that you may be confused about the frequency, so am I.

You may already know that Sirio is a manufacture of a knockoff antenna that is similar to the Sigma IV. Siro recently modified their older version 7/8 wavelength Vector 4000, by increasing the radial length and shortening the radiator back to a 3/4 wave. So I'm not sure if or how this supports the findings that Bob and SW have noticed in their work.

I think I recall Bob telling me that Sirio's claim for their new modification was due to a nice lowering of the maximum angle of radiation---while realizing no reduction in gain.

Sirio’s new model does give user's the physical measurements for centering the antenna at 27.185 thru 28.5 mhz, but as you read you will see that nobody on the WWRF talks about these effects on frequency while they increase the radiator and/or radial lengths in order to improve gain at a distance. So, you may have to ask Bob and Shockwave to explain how the frequency works on the Sigma design.

You’re not alone, this question has also confuses me too, but I figured maybe that was the mystery part of this antenna---that I could only discover by personally experimenting. IMO, typically adding length to the Sigma design should change frequency downward in frequency, but since this is not discussed in the thread, good luck on finding out how changing the physical length over a range of 2' - 3' affects the working frequency. We may hear after changing the radiator length, that adjusting the gamma to the best SWR and moving the tap point fixes the frequency, but IMO Sirio does not support such an idea to a range of 2’ – 3’ feet change. In fact I don’t see how one could make such an argument, because the affects of lengthening the radiator and the radials would seem to me to lower frequency noticeably.

Maybe someone will help us understand.

Good luck in your building efforts.
 
Ditto what Marconi said.
I have an experimental homemade which I am going to radically change in some ways. It doesn't live up to expectations like it is.

When I get to it, I'll report the differences in performance over the way it is now, and the results after modifying it.
 
Marconi, I think you understand the Sigma better then you think. You're assumptions about increasing the radiator length would absolutely lower the resonant frequency if that was the only thing you changed. You are also correct that it is the gamma match and it's tap point that will bring the antenna back to the original resonant frequency. I found that as long as I didn't make the radiator too short, the gamma would match a wide range of radiator lengths. I see the gamma match as a form of antenna tuner. In that it adjusts both the capacitive and inductive reactance of the antenna.
 
what shockwave says is true, i have stated that several times in these sigma4 threads, the vector/sigma will tune with almost any length monopole at least between 27ft and 32ft,

the right length for me is whatever length gives the best signals out at the fringes of my coverage,
the way i determine that is to use a reliable distant vertical fm station and tune for best signal,
i used fm stations about 60 miles from my location, stations i cannot hear on the i10k mounted on the same mast,
i tune at night so locals do not pump my agc and never tune/make comparisons when there is skip messing with signals,
i use a fluke 87 multimeter in min/max record mode to read s-meter voltage plus a large external s-meter, i also have a precision constant impedance 50ohm attenuator so i can take relative gain measurements if i choose to,
using a modulated am signal or ssb makes taking accurate readings or noting small incremental trends as you tune virtually impossible,

you should tune/test with only one antenna errected at any one time, no exceptions for convenience,
the reasons are well documented, observed in my own tests years ago and also mentioned in the sigma4 instructions, getting the best out of anything is never convenient,

i will say it again, you will only find what works best for you by actual on air tests with distant reliable unmodulated stations,

it is also well documented that monopole diameter/taper the relative radial diameter/taper radial spacing and length plus number of radials all effect resonant frequency there is no exact measurement anybody can give you nor is there any requirement to achieve a resonant length,
if you want simple/convenient build an exact replica of a vector, the only version i know to work from my own experience is the old 7/8wave physical version that will outperform any groundplane even in stock form,

radiation angle of sleeve antennas does change with changes in monopole to radial sleeve length ratios, that has been known and used to good effect since the 1940's,
its not about maximising gain its all about putting your signal where it is most effective,
my own tests indicate to me that i am either effecting radiation angle or making large improvements in gain, since i don't believe i am increasing gain by the difference i see in signal on the ft990 and ft767, i suspect i am manipulating radiation angle,
it also makes sense to me that when i told mr cebik what i thought was happening when i made my adjustments he would have said so if it was not likely, on the contrary he said it was very much possible,
i could be wrong but i doubt it;)
 

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