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dipole antenna for camping

KD2GOE

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okay well I'm going camping at the end of June and I need an antenna that I can string up between two trees.
I would like to try to cover 10,14, and 80 meters. what are your opinions on this type of antenna that can cover this range.

I just started looking this is one of the first and that i seen. but I see that this one has no traps on it. so how was he able to cover that wide of a range or is he just blowing smoke?


http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=171322291910&alt=web
 

Since you're not going on a DXpedition to a rare pacific island just build a simple dipole for 80 meters, put it up as a flat top or inverted vee (more likely if your camping) and load it up with a tuner for 10 and 20. It doesn't have to be perfect or expensive.
 
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I won't say the seller is blowing smoke, but what he's blowing isn't completely fresh air. His antenna may do exactly what he claims, but with a catch or two. The first thing I can think of is that I hope you have a tuner.
Any half wave double/dipole can probably be made to work on an odd harmonic of it's design frequency, not with a low SWR, but probably a usable one. How that antenna will radiate, it's radiation pattern get's unpredictable if it's not used on it's design frequency. It may do what you want, b ut not as well as an antenna resonant on the 'higher' band. Then you get to factor in all those other thingys, like heigh, what's around it, etc, etc. It's OCF, off center fed, so will not have the same SWR as a center fed dipole. Those OCF antennas do work. They may work 'better' away from it's design frequency than a center fed dipole. But don't bet the farm on that till you try it, there are just too many variable in mounting, etc.
Hate to tell you, but that 'original Windom' isn't a Windom at all, it's an OCF antenna. The original Windom antenna used a single wire feed line and a very good RF ground system. That single wire feed line was part of the radiating antenna, basically a sort of short vertical antenna with a large 'top-hat'. That good RF ground is an absolute necessity. Figure on ground radials, not ground rods! Ground rods make for a terrible RF ground no matter what you're told. Good safety grounds, but not RF grounds.
What you are looking for is a good -compromise- antenna. Just keep in mind that it's a compromise in some ways, ain't never gonna be -good-, just 'usable'. When doing/using something like that it's a very good idea to use a tuner along with it. A tuner won't 'cure' that compromise but it will make it more 'livable', easier to use. A simple dipole on the lowest band to be used and a harmonic on other bands is probably about as simple/cheap as it get's. Get it as high as possible/practical and that's probably going to as good as anything. Between two trees is nice, but over a tree or two will work too. It touches those trees? Okay, so compensate a bit, use a tuner to get it into a usable impedance range and don't worry about it. It won't 'burn up' your radio.
There are no 'miracle' antennas that do just as well as a classic 'good' antenna that's made correctly and mounted decently. If by chance you find an antenna that works well for you in whatever situation you're in, that's the one to have. Change that 'situation' and that 'best' may not be so good anymore.
Good luck and have fun.
- 'Doc
 
Doc i understand what you're saying the radio I'll be using is the kenwood ts-2000. it has a built in auto tuner which I hope will be enough to compensate.

I am more interested in trying to hit 10 meters at the moment.
so it's my understanding horizontal antennas are better than inverted V. And to have a completely horizontal antenna I need a 4 to 1 blunt feeding it?
 
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I think the best movie for me right now I guess. is to get a book on the of making of dipole antennas and understand the purpose of 1:1 and 1:4 blunts ...
 
Study dipole theory, particularly feedpoint impedances at ODD multiples of frequency and then at EVEN multiples.

An 80 meter dipole with a nice low SWR at its fundamental frequency will also be RESONANT at twice that frequency, but the impedance (and therefore the SWR) will be higher than your built-in autotuner can handle. And of course, a properly-installed 80 meter dipole is going to be at least 65-70 feet high.

Dipoles are easy to build, and inexpensive. I'd make one for each band I wanted to operate and feed them with parallel line from a balun. You'll have to determine whether you will need 1:1 or 4:1 from the antenna characteristics, but for individual dipoles, 1:1 would almost certainly be the right choice.

And it is BALUN. Where'd you come up with "blunt"?
 
A balun is a transformer; it's used for transforming BALanced feedline (like parallel line, ladder line, etc.) to UNbalanced feedline such as coaxial cable.

BAL .... UN.
 
A balun is a transformer; it's used for transforming BALanced feedline (like parallel line, ladder line, etc.) to UNbalanced feedline such as coaxial cable.

BAL .... UN.

that I know, I was just not calling it the right name :( :blushing:
 
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In antenna speak a blunt is the same thing as a balum. A completely nonsensical word either simply made up or the result of a lack of understanding of the proper wording as a result of listening to someone that does not know an antenna from a hammer. :tongue:
 
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