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AI doesn't like my antenna grounding system.

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I explained to googles AI that I had two lightning rods on a metal roof and a heavy braid that goes across the roof connecting them both to two ground rods on opposite sides of the cabin (separate from the panel ground on the adjacent side). I then told it that my tower is not cemented in and that it is just 20 feet of tower bolted to the cabin. I explained that I had a ground cable running from the tower leg to the heavy braid and that the lightning arrestor is also attached to the braid via a clamp about 10 inches above the ground.

It said that was terrible and extremely dangerous. I wasn't expecting that. It said I need to give the lightning arrestor its own cable down to the common point on the grounding rod because even that little 10 inches of braid from the rod up to the lightning arrestor represents a lot of inductance at RF (which lightning is composed of) and that I would have a situation where about 20kv would come back through my coax, into my radio, and then hunt down household ground from there.

When I said that the coax shield was bonded to the tower at the feedpoint and mentioned the tower physically touches the metal roof, it went into full panic mode. It told me that it was going to flash through my metal roofing and start a fire and that the arrestor is doing nothing in that case since the location it is clamped to will be at a similar potential as what comes down the coax and therefore have nowhere to go but down the center conductor.

Just when I think I have it all fairly well grounded, AI comes along and says its all wrong. I guess I need to dig down to the top of the rod and add a dedicated cable for the tower leg and for the arrestor. I had no idea that something like 10 inches of shared ground could be an issue.

edit: yea i better make sure that house ground ties in with the roof ground too. If the lightning brings the ground up several thousand volts at the roof rods and not the mains rod, there's an opportunity for the arc to jump from device to device. I guess I have work to do.
 
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Unfortunately I have to agree with the magic rock, and I also have to go lay down now. I wouldn't attach to the lightning rod system myself, especially since it's isolated from service. I thought the two were supposed to be bonded, maybe I can find my NEC book, the section(s) on grounding/bonding might help. Couldn't the rods radiate if there is much resistance in the braid to ground or poor ground connection?
 
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Crawdad, thanks for the list of resources! Lots to go through there.

Cable Guy I do believe they are supposed to be grounded, and it may be that they are underground but I have to check. For some reason (maybe time) all the rods are below the surface. I can't see any of the connection points,just the cables going down, so I will have to dig up the tops and see whats connected to what. The braid should be really low resistance since it is a good half inch diameter but that inductance part and how much voltage can develop across a short run of it is something I hadn't considered. I don't know about the ground rod radiating. I'm sure some of the clay around it would turn to glass but i don't know. AI really wanted all grounds tied together at their lowest potential (right at the rods) and not branched together elsewhere so I will have to order some more of that braid and get it done right. As for the resistance of the connection at the rod, as soon as I dig them up, I will check the connections and probably clean them.

Thanks!
 
My understanding of what the code says is antennas/towers must be grounded at the base, then the feedline grounded by ground rod and solid wire where it enters building, and said ground rod must be bonded to electric service entrance ground rod.

I don't believe braid is kosher at any time. just a fuse to pop.
 
I guess there must be a good connection between the tower/roof ground and the mains ground because I just ohm'd between my coax shield (disconnected, which goes straight to the arrestor) and the ground pin on the bench power supply cord. I got 0.0ohm.
 
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Here's the braid I'm talking about. I think it is meant for this.
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and here is the arrestor. I need to do it with proper clamps I know, but what I am gathering is that this arrestor needs its own wall plate at entry and that needs its own ground cable to the rod itself
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so do i bond the new rod to the one next to it with the braid then? I was hoping to use the same rod.

edit i found out i do have a connection between the service ground and roof ground. My hope was to get away with using the roof ground for the tower and lightning arrestor as well. If I have to tie the rods together, couldn't they just be one rod if I make sure everything has its own path to that point?
 
No, that braid comes off the lightning rods but they do seem to be well bonded to the service ground
 
Ah, I get it now. Not sure on that one. Seems like that rod would be good to use but not sure what code says about that.
 
Is the lightning rod system tied into the service entrance ground? If so it seems kosher.
 
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