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Built in Galaxy or Connex Echo

Shockwave

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Ever notice radios like the Galaxy Saturn or others with built in echo never have the same fidelity in transmit that the same radio board without the internal echo does? For example, the 2950 board is nearly identical to the Saturn but has much fuller sounding audio with wider bandwidth.

The built in echo has very limited bandwidth and will chop off both treble and bass. Unfortunately just because you may opt to never use the built in echo, it still produces all of its negative effects in the audio even when it's off. That's because the TX audio still passes through 90% of the echo circuitry when it's off.

Remove the center wire on the mic gain control and tape it off. Then connect a new wire from the center of the mic gain control to the center pin of Q32. That's the collector of the audio limiter transistor. You will likely find another brown wire connected to the same trace coming from the echo board. It's a good idea to remove this too.

The scope and signal generator confirm a notable improvement in the TX bandwidth after this echo bypass. The mod is the same even if you have removed Q32 although, I recommend you don't. These radios produce objectionable distortion when severely overmodulated.

If you leave Q32 in place and adjust the potentiometer, you don't have to be nearly as critical with the mic gain setting. You can now drive the audio hard enough to produce some compression that gives it punch without all the flat topping and RF cutoff.

I got to see the NPC diode inline with the resistor too. First thing I did after seeing what it does to the carrier was rip the diode out and put it back to stock. All it does is drive the carrier up higher with your audio and the proof of this is that after every period of hard modulation you can see the carrier at a much higher level and quickly fall back to its setting faster than a meter could track it.

It makes the watt meter look like there is lots of forward swing and should have louder audio but since the carrier is moving up, this counters any increase in modulation. I can also see why this is confused with NPC since driving the carrier higher prevents negative peak clipping. I suspect the diode may simply be rectifying the some of the modulated DC and just adding it to the DC carrier setting.
 

So the moral of the story, is don't buy a radio with a built in echo board if you want to be a big talker?

Also does what you say apply to the RF Limited boards as well?
 
I know it's common with Connex, Ranger and Galaxy. I thought the RF Limited board was an aftermarket board. I have not tested this board specifically but I'd be surprised if it were much better than the others.
 
The RF Limited boards are indeed an aftermarket add on but I'm pretty sure they're the same boards used in the S45HP and maybe the Raptor.

I read somewhere, the boards used in Connex, Galaxys, etc. are a Workman board. Don't know if there's any truth to that.
 
I know the board used in the Connex and older Galaxies shared the same IC chips and were around much longer than Workman so I doubt this is true. The Ranger one I've seen was much smaller, in a metal box, used surface mount parts, had Ranger printed on the box and sounded just as bad as the rest.
 
i think you can completely remove the echeo boards but not sure. if not
disabling the wires to that and radio and tapping them up works too.
the rflimited boards i think are better imo. id much rather have a echeo mike
than have a echeo board installed in radio.again jmo
 
If you remove the board completely you will have to jump more then just the audio lines otherwise the radio will not transmit. For some reason they decided to run the TX line through the echo board too. This is normally only done on a roger beep board since it must control when the transmitter unkeys.

That's not required here but they did it anyhow so you can't just unplug the board. You have to jump the TX line and ground along with the audio from the input connector to the output connector. It just seems easier to leave the board where it is and only jump the audio line.
 


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