Thanks for that, im still in the middle of negotiations on all radios, but im shortlisted to a few, the alinco i think in my circumstance as a newbie entry person to amature radio is a good choice, as i know the history on the set. the other is a no warranty rig with no history no warranty,,,,, so i have to be careful of what i buy, it's all experiance in the end and as a newbie it is nice to get some sound information, im sure theres a lot of radios out there that need more than shipping and this is what im trying to avoid, As when i do get the papers required to run such radios i will probobly sell my entry level ones to someone that i can sell to and stand over such equipment