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Dual Purpose Ladder Line Dipole

wcsd106

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I am submitting, for thoughts and opinions, an idea I had today for a dual purpose Dipole antenna.

For reference, I have been getting ready to build a wire antenna that I can stuff into a sack and take with me for camping and field day purposes. I have already decided on feeding the dipole with 450 ohm ladder line to enable me to use it on multiple bands with a tuner.

Originally, I had planned to make a simple dipole cut for the 40 meter band. This antenna would be suspended as an inverted vee and supported by military surplus fiberglass masts.

After surveying a potential field day site close to my home this week, I found that I have ample room to put up a dipole cut for 80 meters if I chose to. HOWEVER: the spots I normally camp do NOT have room for a full size 80m dipole... thus the modification at hand:

What I plan to do is construct the 40 meter dipole just as one normally would. However, instead of just clipping the tag end of the dipole ends at the insulator, I plan to leave 2 or 3 inches of free play after winding and soldering the connection and soldering a quick disconnect plug either spade or round to the short tag end.

When space only allows for a 40m dipole, this antenna could quickly be erected and the dipole end insulators secured with dacron rope and connected to their corresponding supports.

When space allows for, and the situation necessitates, a full size 80m dipole, two additional dipole legs can be connected each roughly 32 feet long. These wires would be strung through the other hole in the existing dipole insulators (the ones used for dacron rope while in 40m configuration) wrapped securely, and a corresponding quick disconnect connected to the 40m leg thus allowing currents to flow into the lengthened section without any trouble.

The extension legs will also terminate in end insulators to which dacron rope can be secured.

I looked around for awhile today but didn't see anything similar to this, though I would highly doubt I'm the first to try it.

If you can excuse my poor windows paint illustrations, I believe they will help to show my intention. The 40m dipole legs are drawn in red, with the extension legs shown in brown. The green lines are the support masts. Obviously this is nowhere close to being drawn to scale.

I would appreciate any comments, negative or positive, from other members. Thank You
 

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Additional Information:

I am/was concerned about the possibility of the extension legs coming unattached from the insulator under the weight of the insulator since the wire is only wrapped around itself and not soldered.

To confirm my suspicion, I stripped the insulation from a short section of 14awg wire and wrapped it similar to what I was planning. I had no difficulty pulling the wire hard enough to get itself to unwrap.

What I may do on the extension legs is use some type of clamp that can be fastened around the wire and provide a constant pressure to keep the wire from unwrapping. This should, in my opinion, prevent the wire from coming unwrapped.
 
Another solution to keep that wire from unwrapping would be to just tie a knot in it. The more tension, the tighter it gets. Alligator clips work well too.
- 'Doc
 
You might also consider winding some 80m loading coils on the ends of that 40m dipole. That would make the antenna only about 4 feet longer on each leg, and you might be surprised how well it will work.
 
Moleculo:

I hadn't thought along those lines... I'm glad that I posted this thread.

I will start looking up some information about this, I found one website discussing it already but will research it a little more.

That would be about perfect for what I'm looking for; a multiband antenna capable of 80-10m operation when fed with ladder line and ran into an antenna tuner.

Without a grid-dip meter, however, I think the coil winding will be a lot of trial and error. One of these days I am going to have to break down and buy me another one.. I used to have one years ago but it was seldom-used and was either sold or traded away at a hamfest.
 
Another solution to keep that wire from unwrapping would be to just tie a knot in it. The more tension, the tighter it gets. Alligator clips work well too.
- 'Doc

I used to this this as well using alligator clips I also used to use a foot and a half piece of wire with two alligator clips on each leg of an 80 meter dipole to retune the antenna from the CW portion of the band to phone.
 
Just for grins, it won't always be the preferred method for everyone. I used to have an 80 meter horizontal loop that I fed with ladder line through a tuner. It would work just about every where that I wanted it to go. If I remember correctly, 15 meters wasn't very 'tunable', but I didn't use 15 meters anyway so didn't feel like I was 'deprived'. Wasn't very efficient in some places, but it certainly worked.
It wasn't 'ideal' in any aspect, something like 20 feet high if you were sort of optimistic, not exactly a 'regular' shape either. Propagation was better than now too. Managed to do several WAS's with it and a WAC. So, I've come to 'like' loop antennas and tuners.
If you have some spare time and room to do one of those loops, give it a try, you might be surprised, I was. Is it gonna make you the strongest thing on the bands? Why, absolutely!! (If everyone else there is more 'deprived' than you are, sort of. ;))
- 'Doc
 
Moleculo:
Without a grid-dip meter, however, I think the coil winding will be a lot of trial and error. One of these days I am going to have to break down and buy me another one.. I used to have one years ago but it was seldom-used and was either sold or traded away at a hamfest.

It would be trial and error unless someone has already figured it out for you :tongue:

http://www.worldwidedx.com/amateur-radio-antennas/30736-coil-loaded-dipole-build-photo-diary.html
 
Thanks again, Moleculo. I read over your thread and I believe that is exactly what I've been looking for.

I will be putting together the necessary parts over the next week or so and hopefully get it all built and ready for my vacation soon.
 

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