Hey guys, thanks for the response! I suppose ham operators just aren't in to it like some others are.
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It's different strokes for different folks....
Mr Jiggs captured the market 45 years ago and every CB shop on the interstate had a dozen different sounds hanging off the pegboard ready to stuff in your radios, the good the bad and the ugly......
Solar cycles die, trends die and what was old is new again.
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Jeff
Mr Jiggs captured the market 45 years ago and every CB shop on the interstate had a dozen different sounds hanging off the pegboard ready to stuff in your radios, the good the bad and the ugly......
Solar cycles die, trends die and what was old is new again.
73
Jeff
Thank the Lord......................................
For years I threatened to put the four signature guitar notes from Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here on a noise toy and use it as a roger beep. Would call it a "Roger Roger", as in Waters.
Then I found out those four notes weren't Roger's idea, came from David Gilmour. Just as well.
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Then I found out those four notes weren't Roger's idea, came from David Gilmour. Just as well.
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The four notes from Shine On You Crazy Diamond? I could live with that one.............
Waters wrote the lyrics so your idea still works.
Of course I'm sure you know that is illegal on all HF bands, even cb....
Let's see that law in writing from a legitimate source that says I can't play a sound clip OTA.
Okay, there ya go.....
Read 'em and weep.....
FCC Regulations Citation47 CFR 97.113
(a) No amateur station shall transmit:
(1) Communications specifically prohibited elsewhere in this part;
(2) Communications for hire or for material compensation, direct or indirect, paid or promised, except as otherwise provided in these rules;
(3) Communications in which the station licensee or control operator has a pecuniary interest, including communications on behalf of an employer, with the following exceptions:
(i) A station licensee or station control operator may participate on behalf of an employer in an emergency preparedness or disaster readiness test or drill, limited to the duration and scope of such test or drill, and operational testing immediately prior to such test or drill. Tests or drills that are not government-sponsored are limited to a total time of one hour per week; except that no more than twice in any calendar year, they may be conducted for a period not to exceed 72 hours.
(ii) An amateur operator may notify other amateur operators of the availability for sale or trade of apparatus normally used in an amateur station, provided that such activity is not conducted on a regular basis.
(iii) A control operator may accept compensation as an incident of a teaching position during periods of time when an amateur station is used by that teacher as a part of classroom instruction at an educational institution.
(iv) The control operator of a club station may accept compensation for the periods of time when the station is transmitting telegraphy practice or information bulletins, provided that the station transmits such telegraphy practice and bulletins for at least 40 hours per week; schedules operations on at least six amateur service MF and HF bands using reasonable measures to maximize coverage; where the schedule of normal operating times and frequencies is published at least 30 days in advance of the actual transmissions; and where the control operator does not accept any direct or indirect compensation for any other service as a control operator.
(4) Music using a phone emission except as specifically provided elsewhere in this section; communications intended to facilitate a criminal act; messages encoded for the purpose of obscuring their meaning, except as otherwise provided herein; obscene or indecent words or language; or false or deceptive messages, signals or identification.
(5) Communications, on a regular basis, which could reasonably be furnished alternatively through other radio services.
(b) An amateur station shall not engage in any form of broadcasting, nor may an amateur station transmit one-way communications except as specifically provided in these rules; nor shall an amateur station engage in any activity related to program production or news gathering for broadcasting purposes, except that communications directly related to the immediate safety of human life or the protection of property may be provided by amateur stations to broadcasters for dissemination to the public where no other means of communication is reasonably available before or at the time of the event.
(c) No station shall retransmit programs or signals emanating from any type of radio station other than an amateur station, except propagation and weather forecast information intended for use by the general public and originated from United States Government stations, and communications, including incidental music, originating on United States Government frequencies between a manned spacecraft and its associated Earth stations. Prior approval for manned spacecraft communications retransmissions must be obtained from the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. Such retransmissions must be for the exclusive use of amateur radio operators. Propagation, weather forecasts, and manned spacecraft communications retransmissions may not be conducted on a regular basis, but only occasionally, as an incident of normal amateur radio communications.
(d) No amateur station, except an auxiliary, repeater, or space station, may automatically retransmit the radio signals of other amateur station.
Read 'em and weep.....
FCC Regulations Citation47 CFR 97.113
§ 97.113 Prohibited transmissions.
(a) No amateur station shall transmit:
(1) Communications specifically prohibited elsewhere in this part;
(2) Communications for hire or for material compensation, direct or indirect, paid or promised, except as otherwise provided in these rules;
(3) Communications in which the station licensee or control operator has a pecuniary interest, including communications on behalf of an employer, with the following exceptions:
(i) A station licensee or station control operator may participate on behalf of an employer in an emergency preparedness or disaster readiness test or drill, limited to the duration and scope of such test or drill, and operational testing immediately prior to such test or drill. Tests or drills that are not government-sponsored are limited to a total time of one hour per week; except that no more than twice in any calendar year, they may be conducted for a period not to exceed 72 hours.
(ii) An amateur operator may notify other amateur operators of the availability for sale or trade of apparatus normally used in an amateur station, provided that such activity is not conducted on a regular basis.
(iii) A control operator may accept compensation as an incident of a teaching position during periods of time when an amateur station is used by that teacher as a part of classroom instruction at an educational institution.
(iv) The control operator of a club station may accept compensation for the periods of time when the station is transmitting telegraphy practice or information bulletins, provided that the station transmits such telegraphy practice and bulletins for at least 40 hours per week; schedules operations on at least six amateur service MF and HF bands using reasonable measures to maximize coverage; where the schedule of normal operating times and frequencies is published at least 30 days in advance of the actual transmissions; and where the control operator does not accept any direct or indirect compensation for any other service as a control operator.
(4) Music using a phone emission except as specifically provided elsewhere in this section; communications intended to facilitate a criminal act; messages encoded for the purpose of obscuring their meaning, except as otherwise provided herein; obscene or indecent words or language; or false or deceptive messages, signals or identification.
(5) Communications, on a regular basis, which could reasonably be furnished alternatively through other radio services.
(b) An amateur station shall not engage in any form of broadcasting, nor may an amateur station transmit one-way communications except as specifically provided in these rules; nor shall an amateur station engage in any activity related to program production or news gathering for broadcasting purposes, except that communications directly related to the immediate safety of human life or the protection of property may be provided by amateur stations to broadcasters for dissemination to the public where no other means of communication is reasonably available before or at the time of the event.
(c) No station shall retransmit programs or signals emanating from any type of radio station other than an amateur station, except propagation and weather forecast information intended for use by the general public and originated from United States Government stations, and communications, including incidental music, originating on United States Government frequencies between a manned spacecraft and its associated Earth stations. Prior approval for manned spacecraft communications retransmissions must be obtained from the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. Such retransmissions must be for the exclusive use of amateur radio operators. Propagation, weather forecasts, and manned spacecraft communications retransmissions may not be conducted on a regular basis, but only occasionally, as an incident of normal amateur radio communications.
(d) No amateur station, except an auxiliary, repeater, or space station, may automatically retransmit the radio signals of other amateur station.
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You must have filled out the Form ID-I0-T .......
Which conveniently doesn't mention the transmission of a brief sound clip.
I mean, I don't particularly care for roger beeps myself, so I guess one could argue that transmission of those tones are electronically induced and not required for normal phone operation and therefore "illegal".
Pretty clear........
Argue with it if you like, but there it is in plain English......
§ 97.113 Prohibited transmissions.
(a) No amateur station shall transmit:(4) Music using a phone emission except as specifically provided elsewhere in this section; communications intended to facilitate a criminal act; messages encoded for the purpose of obscuring their meaning, except as otherwise provided herein; obscene or indecent words or language; or false or deceptive messages, signals or identification.
(b) An amateur station shall not engage in any form of broadcasting, nor may an amateur station transmit one-way communications except as specifically provided in these rules;
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I see whats going on here. Some people are only ok with breaking the rules if it is something THEY like.
Kinda hypocritical to post FCC regulations when you don't seem to have a problem with other illegal mods like channel expansions, ham gear on 11m, or running big amplifiers. A clipped limiter is more annoying than a brief sound clip once in a while. Not everyone that uses these noise toys sit on the button like the 111 guy.
There is nothing illegal about roger beeps, and no law states it has to be a single brief tone. The rule about no music on phone emissions is intended to prevent people from broadcasting uninterrupted, not to prevent a brief clip for humor or other short chime.
I agree, nobody wants to hear a 10 second music clip, let alone the entire song, but I don't see anything wrong with brief sounds that are not of malicious intent.
Kinda hypocritical to post FCC regulations when you don't seem to have a problem with other illegal mods like channel expansions, ham gear on 11m, or running big amplifiers. A clipped limiter is more annoying than a brief sound clip once in a while. Not everyone that uses these noise toys sit on the button like the 111 guy.
There is nothing illegal about roger beeps, and no law states it has to be a single brief tone. The rule about no music on phone emissions is intended to prevent people from broadcasting uninterrupted, not to prevent a brief clip for humor or other short chime.
I agree, nobody wants to hear a 10 second music clip, let alone the entire song, but I don't see anything wrong with brief sounds that are not of malicious intent.
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