Scary Anomaly

[Greg T]

@Greg T

It's also possible that the neighbor has two or more of the items that is causing the noise, one on each leg of the 110ac lines.

You are down to the last straw, you may have to contact the FCC seeing that there is a problem with whatever is transmitting the noise from the proven neighbor's house.
First contact the FCC by phone to explain your situation, they will guide you from there. They will more than likely ask you if you have contacted the neighbor and what their response was.

Do you have an SDR connected to a computer that you can use to find all the transmitted offending noise frequencies that are coming from said house and how wide they are (meaning that the noise is constant from say 26.000MHz to 30.000MHz (or greater) as shown on an SDR). Taking many pictures and sending them to the FCC showing how wide the noise frequency is.
Also making a "petition list" of friends with mobiles that have had the problem when in your neighborhood, along with a report from your ESP explaining that the problem is from the neighbor.

If you file a complaint the FCC will send a letter to both of you explaining the problem, and that you both have to work together to find and resolve the problem in a given amount of time (which is not very long).

Regardless of the outcome both of you will have to respond to the FCC with a finding. If not resolved in the amount of time given to both of you, you will have to respond to the FCC with an answer.
After that the FCC will make a decision that the neighbor may not like, having all your proof will help you. Having an amateur license would help also (as was stated).

At that point the the FCC may move in, they may want to look at your radio gear also.

This entire mess can be taken care of in one afternoon if the neighbor wants to help find the problem in their house without contacting the FCC. It would be up to the neighbor to comply with the FCC than to keep dragging it on and possibly getting a fine.

I had a problem where one neighbor contacted the FCC for TVI (that was also caused by any CB radio driving by, and a 2 watt hand held would wipe the picture off the TV screen from 20 feet away). I had a petition with 10 other neighbors that claimed no problems with TVI.
We were both given 20 days to comply and respond with a report ..... she did nothing to comply and also did not respond. All she wanted to do was to have the FCC shut down my station. The FCC, according to her, basically told to her "to pack rock salt". The phone company also said that since she bought her phone system in the house she would have to pay to find problems. The house was built in the early 1900s and had intercom wires running throughout the house from before the 50s. Their TVI problem ended when I moved out years later.

Just my 2¢

Well, I didn't want to take it to this, but i ended up contacting the FCC via the web form. The good part is that I have already done my part in that the city has located and pinpointed the precise address. The city spoke with the tenants, who blew him off, and I spoke with the owners of the property, who blew me off. If all goes well, a letter from the FCC will scare someone into doing something. I can't take this anymore. 8+ units of HASH, 24/7, no let up. And the noise, even with very close stations, overpowers someone's audio.

 

[Crawdad]

Well, I didn't want to take it to this, but i ended up contacting the FCC via the web form. The good part is that I have already done my part in that the city has located and pinpointed the precise address. The city spoke with the tenants, who blew him off, and I spoke with the owners of the property, who blew me off. If all goes well, a letter from the FCC will scare someone into doing something. I can't take this anymore. 8+ units of HASH, 24/7, no let up. And the noise, even with very close stations, overpowers someone's audio.

It may not come to a resolution but sounds like you had no other choice. A station with no RX has little value. Please update us, the info may help someone else with a similar dilemma.

Good luck 7 3

P.S. I still suspect they're using grow lights........

 

[BC Coyote]

I'm pretty sure it will be what I suspected at the very beginning of this long thread......which is an internet-over-powerline system in the neighbors house.

I had that issue here and paid out of pocket to switch the neighbor to a wired ethernet/wifi system.

 

[Greg T]

I'm pretty sure it will be what I suspected at the very beginning of this long thread......which is an internet-over-powerline system in the neighbors house.

I had that issue here and paid out of pocket to switch the neighbor to a wired ethernet/wifi system.

I'm not sure what's available here for internet over power lines. I'm not aware of any. We have spectrum, Highline, and there's a wireless out of Northern Michigan University. But none of those have ever given me an issue. These folks have been here 5 years and the problem began about 3 or 4 months ago. I don;t even remember now.

 

[TM86]

I'm not sure what's available here for internet over power lines. I'm not aware of any. We have spectrum, Highline, and there's a wireless out of Northern Michigan University. But none of those have ever given me an issue. These folks have been here 5 years and the problem began about 3 or 4 months ago. I don;t even remember now.

There are some networking products that will send data over the house wiring so that you can move a computer from room to room and not have to worry whether or not the WiFi signal will reach. In effect it turns the house wiring into one big computer network. And since that network isn't shielded it will radiate.

Don't know if that's what you neighbors have, but it's one more thing that it could be.

 

[Greg T]

There are some networking products that will send data over the house wiring so that you can move a computer from room to room and not have to worry whether or not the WiFi signal will reach. In effect it turns the house wiring into one big computer network. And since that network isn't shielded it will radiate.

Don't know if that's what you neighbors have, but it's one more thing that it could be.

I'm going to keep all this stuff in mind in case I ever am asked for assistance in locating the problem. I doubt I'll ever get that call, but hopefully the FCC can put some pressure on these people.

 

[BC Coyote]

There are some networking products that will send data over the house wiring so that you can move a computer from room to room

That's exactly what I'm referring too..... The one my neighbors had alternated between loud white noise and a motorboat sound. And just like Greg, it wiped out my receive. I spent a bunch of $ to buy the neighbors a system that didn't create RFI. Now everyone is happy.

 

[SuperLid]

I'm going to keep all this stuff in mind in case I ever am asked for assistance in locating the problem. I doubt I'll ever get that call, but hopefully the FCC can put some pressure on these people.

If you can record the noise in a .wav format, AM mode for about 30 seconds, and send to me, I'll have a look at it.

 

[Greg T]

If you can record the noise in a .wav format, AM mode for about 30 seconds, and send to me, I'll have a look at it.

 

[Crawdad]

Yikes

 

[brandon7861]

I would certainly try my hardest to communicate with the guy before involving the FCC, regardless of how unfriendly he seems. Not many people take kindly to being reported to the feds, may end up being a conversation stopper. Maybe invite him over and show him your hobby first. He will be more inclined to listen to you if he doesn't think you are just some conspiracy theorist nut job with a foil hat wanting to inspect his electronics for harmful radiation. I would probably wire a cheap AM radio to a battery, carry it in a bucket with a coax pickup loop attached, and demonstrate the process of noise locating with a noisy battery charger or something so he knows what you are talking about and one way to find it. If he knows how, nobody else has to go in his house. He can hunt and unplug with you on the radio listening.

 

[Greg T]

I would certainly try my hardest to communicate with the guy before involving the FCC, regardless of how unfriendly he seems. Not many people take kindly to being reported to the feds, may end up being a conversation stopper. Maybe invite him over and show him your hobby first. He will be more inclined to listen to you if he doesn't think you are just some conspiracy theorist nut job with a foil hat wanting to inspect his electronics for harmful radiation. I would probably wire a cheap AM radio to a battery, carry it in a bucket with a coax pickup loop attached, and demonstrate the process of noise locating with a noisy battery charger or something so he knows what you are talking about and one way to find it. If he knows how, nobody else has to go in his house. He can hunt and unplug with you on the radio listening.

I've attempted to open a dialog with these folks for the 5 years they've lived here. The day they were moving in I introduced myself and offered to help them carry stuff. They grunted, never told me their names and kept walking. I've tried waving when seeing them in the back yard ... no response. For the first two years they were here I would clear their sidewalk of snow on every storm. Never got a thanks, and when he cuts the grass he never even reciprocated by cutting two extra passes up to my house. My neighbor on the other side of me cuts half my grass and the boulevard when he cunts, and I take care of his snow. One hand washes the other. Not with the north neighbor. AND, when the foreman of the electric company went to their door to tell them their house was emitting RFI that is encompassing the entire block, they said they haven't changed anything and it's not their problem. I contacted the home owner and gently and politely told the story and offered to help locate the problem. Half way through the discussion he said "I'll talk to him. I'll let ya know". That was three weeks ago and I still have no response. I called him again and got voicemail, left a message, no response. These people don't talk ... We're not the same.

 

[Crawdad]

I would certainly try my hardest to communicate with the guy before involving the FCC, regardless of how unfriendly he seems. Not many people take kindly to being reported to the feds, may end up being a conversation stopper. Maybe invite him over and show him your hobby first. He will be more inclined to listen to you if he doesn't think you are just some conspiracy theorist nut job with a foil hat wanting to inspect his electronics for harmful radiation. I would probably wire a cheap AM radio to a battery, carry it in a bucket with a coax pickup loop attached, and demonstrate the process of noise locating with a noisy battery charger or something so he knows what you are talking about and one way to find it. If he knows how, nobody else has to go in his house. He can hunt and unplug with you on the radio listening.

This method definitely relies on Greg's neighbor giving a shit about Greg's problem, which he obviously doesn't.................

 

[SuperLid]

Unfortunately, the audio is not capturing sound, just hiss and ambient noise. Can you describe the sound to me? Also, can you send in .wav? I am uploading an audio file I made of some RFI, as an example.

Thanks

SL

 

[Greg T]

Unfortunately, the audio is not capturing sound, just hiss and ambient noise. Can you describe the sound to me? Also, can you send in .wav? I am uploading an audio file I made of some RFI, as an example.

Thanks

SL

The one you uploaded is a 60hz buzz. Mine is exactly what you hear. Broadband hiss, or hash. No buzz.