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New version Icom IC-7300 MK2

SuperLid said:
The higher end Icom direct sampled SDR's, incorporate roofing filters to deal with signal overload. You should also ask Rob Sherwood, if he would use a Yaesu in his own station. I already know the answer to that.
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I'm curious to know why you and several other folks here are such Yaesu haters. I just read the ads and specs for the Mk2 and it doesn't look to be head and shoulders above anything else currently on the market. Icom was definitely wise to make the Mk2 HDMI monitor capable, I'm not sure what Yaesu was thinking with their line-up using DVI, that was really dumb. But, I had no problem finding a DVI monitor for mine. Beyond that difference I don't see what makes the Mk2 so orgasmic, or the original for that matter. I had a very brief chance for an A/B comparison and frankly the 7300 didn't receive weak signals as well as an FT-710. And a lot of amateur DXing is weak or weaker signal work. Have they improved that with the Mk2 or does anyone actually know since they're not released yet??

Have any of the anti-Yaesu crowd here actually used a FT-710 or above and had major issues with it?? Or is it just a bad taste in the mouth for Yaesu period? From some older model maybe?

I very much like my 710 but if the Mk2 is truly that much better I might have to consider a change. Experts please let us know.

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SuperLid said:
The higher end Icom direct sampled SDR's, incorporate roofing filters to deal with signal overload. You should also ask Rob Sherwood, if he would use a Yaesu in his own station. I already know the answer to that.
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There are NO traditional roofing filters on full SDR radio's like the Icom 7300 including the new MK2 version and Yaesu FTDX710. They use digital processing filters to try and mimic similar results. True roofing filters are found on mid price range level to high end superhet and hybrid processing radios which narrows the signal before the main receiver.

What Sherwood uses is his personal choice. One common complaint about a lot of Yaesu models is ergonomics and too much menu driven features.
 
Crawdad said:
Icom was definitely wise to make the Mk2 HDMI monitor capable, I'm not sure what Yaesu was thinking with their line-up using DVI, that was really dumb. But, I had no problem finding a DVI monitor for mine.
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My Kenwood TS890 uses DVI too. I thought the same thing about manufactures using DVI for external display but I found out the reason why. HDMI is a proprietary brand name and requires a licensing fee for every electronic device to use it and Yaseu and Kenwood and the other Icom's apparently didn't want to pay it.

I use a 10 inch HDMI LCD monitor and a DVI to HDMI cable and works fine with no RFI issues.

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fourstringburn said:
My Kenwood TS890 uses DVI too. I thought the same thing about manufactures using DVI for external display but I found out the reason why. HDMI is a proprietary brand name and requires a licensing fee for every electronic device to use it and Yaseu and Kenwood and the other Icom's apparently didn't want to pay it.

I use a 10 inch HDMI LCD monitor and a DVI to HDMI cable and works fine with no RFI issues.

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You hit the nail on the head. Another reason I can think of using DVI is because it is much harder to break off vs a HDMI port. Those DVI to HDMI cables work just fine.
 
sp5it said:
Sorry guys, but external monitors without touch are useless.
Mike
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Just the opposite for me, I don't care for touchscreens at all. Just puts greasy finger prints all over the screen. I just like having a bigger display screen.
 
fourstringburn said:
There are NO traditional roofing filters on full SDR radio's like the Icom 7300 including the new MK2 version and Yaesu FTDX710. They use digital processing filters to try and mimic similar results. True roofing filters are found on mid price range level to high end superhet and hybrid processing radios which narrows the signal before the main receiver.

What Sherwood uses is his personal choice. One common complaint about a lot of Yaesu models is ergonomics and too much menu driven features.
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IC-7300 is an entry level radio. I said the higher end radios from Icom, have roofing filters.

Rob explained to me why the numbers after a point, are pointless, which makes perfect sense to me. The horrific user interface, and inept customer service/tech support from Yaesu, is enough to keep me from buying their junk. I have had enough Yaesu in my life and still have some. I know, they won't be getting any new business from me anytime soon. Things at that company changed when MP went SK. Jun Hasegawa runs the company without the same spirit and integrity as it once was.

73,

SuperLid
 
SuperLid said:
. I said the higher end radios from Icom, have roofing filters.
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No they don't, we are tallking SDR models like 7300, 7610, and the new flagship model 7760. They all use Digi-select digital filtering which is not a roofing filter by design.

On a crowded band it's already been known that a SDR direct sampling radio can overload and a weak signal on the band won't be heard. You can't work them if you can't hear them.

I'm a Kenwood user and I'm very satisfied with their radios. They still haven't gone true SDR which is fine with me.

I would consider the Elecrat K4HD when it comes out. This will be their hybrid SDR with a superhet front end.
 
fourstringburn said:
No they don't, we are tallking SDR models like 7300, 7610, and the new flagship model 7760. They all use Digi-select digital filtering which is not a roofing filter by design.

On a crowded band it's already been known that a SDR direct sampling radio can overload and a weak signal on the band won't be heard. You can't work them if you can't hear them.

I'm a Kenwood user and I'm very satisfied with their radios. They still haven't gone true SDR which is fine with me.

I would consider the Elecrat K4HD when it comes out. This will be their hybrid SDR with a superhet front end.
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The current models don't, because they are not necessary. The older models did. Again, the numbers become pointless after a point. The UI of the Yaesu radios is enough for me, to not care about them. If you ever have after sales support needs, good luck with them.
 
SuperLid said:
The higher end Icom direct sampled SDR's, incorporate roofing filters to deal with signal overload.
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SuperLid said:
The current models don't, because they are not necessary. The older models did. Again, the numbers become pointless after a point.
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Sorry sir, but you just contradicted yourself after you found out you were incorrect.

Look what you previously said about the high end Icom direct sampled SDR's having roofing filters.

After I posted that they do not have them, now you say the current models don't because they are unnecessary.

Also the Icom 7300 is not an entry level radio. The Icom IC-718 is their bare bones radio for under a grand.
 
The Innovative HF Transceiver
New technology is changing the way receivers are being designed, and the IC-7300 is an industry first as an RF Direct Sampling System is being used in an entry-level HF radio. The ability to digitize RF before various receiver stages reduces the inherent noise that is generated in the different IF stages of a radio. We feel the performance of the ‘7300 will far exceed your expectations for a radio considered entry-level.

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BJ radionut said:
The Innovative HF Transceiver
New technology is changing the way receivers are being designed, and the IC-7300 is an industry first as an RF Direct Sampling System is being used in an entry-level HF radio. The ability to digitize RF before various receiver stages reduces the inherent noise that is generated in the different IF stages of a radio. We feel the performance of the ‘7300 will far exceed your expectations for a radio considered entry-level.

Copied from ICOM USA description
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Key word "considered". The manufacture can advertise it as they want. There is a big difference in features between the 718 and 7300 as you know.

The 718 is a fairly bare bones radio with a simple layout and marketed for ease of operations and it has been around for many years. Many CBers on used this on SSB over the years because of that. Hams probably used it for an affordable and/or back up radio. This certainly sounds like an entry level radio to me.

Since the 7300 came out, this has been the go to radio for a reasonable priced SDR HF/6 radio with all the eye candy and features to expect in this price range. Compared to the basic 718, the 7300 is many steps up above it and may seem a bit complicated for the new to radio user. A new ham friend of mine is struggling to get to know his Yaesu FTDX10.

You would think the demand for the 718 dropped by now where Icom would discontinue it being Yaesu dropped the 450 and Kenwood dropped the 480 from their lines.

If/when Icom discontinues the 718, then their new lowest cost radio will be the 7300 and that will set the new standard for entry level.
 
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SuperLid said:
I did make an incorrect statement, not totally incorrect.
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In other words, you are saying I wasn't wrong I was just mistaken. That's funny!

I never said I was a Yaesu fan just the fact the Yaesu higher end radio's went with a hybrid super het/hybrid combining the best of both worlds.

73 GL on channel 38
 
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Will this conversation between these two continue after the weekend?

One buys whatever they want ...... only to find out that whatever their choice was ...... was the wrong one.

I think that was one of Murphy's Laws.

my 2¢
 

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