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Project Concept: 3D Multi-Phased Toroidal Hourglass Loop for 10M/11M (27.8 MHz) – Looking for NEC Modeling Help!

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Hey everyone,
I’m working on a homebrew antenna project for the 10/11-meter bands (centered around 27.8 MHz) and want to get some feedback on a 3D loop concept I’ve been brainstorming.
The goal is to achieve 360-degree, horizontally polarized omnidirectional coverage with a low noise floor, but without the phasing nightmares, complex switching networks, or destructive mutual coupling that usually come with multi-antenna arrays.

The Concept:
Imagine taking a traditional bi-directional hourglass loop and turning it into a 3D cylindrical skeleton. I am planning an 8-facet (8 cross-sections) layout arranged evenly at 45-degree angles to form a cage.
To keep everything perfectly in phase, the entire structure will be woven out of a single, continuous unbroken wire.

The Dimensions & Geometry:
  • Target Frequency: 27.8 MHz (λ ≈ 35.42 feet)
  • Total Wire Length: Scaled to roughly 1λ (approx. 36 feet) or 2λ, depending on modeling.
  • Structure: A non-conductive cylindrical frame (PVC/fiberglass) featuring 3 parallel rings (Top, Center "Waist", and Bottom).
  • Transition Points: 24 nodes total (8 per ring).
  • The Path: The wire starts at a bottom feed point, runs diagonally up to the center waist node, diagonally up to the top node, steps over horizontally to the next top node, and zigzags back down through the waist to the bottom. It repeats this around all 8 facets until the single wire closes back at the feed point.

Build Constraints & Power Handling:
I will be feeding this antenna with a Ranger N4 running 400W+ PEP. Because of the high RF voltage, I’m planning the following:
  1. Wire: 12 AWG or 10 AWG stranded copper to minimize skin-effect losses and broaden SWR bandwidth.
  2. Waist Isolation: At the 8 center crossing points, the wires absolutely cannot touch. I am designing a non-conductive center hub/spacer to maintain at least 0.5 to 1 inch of air gap to prevent high-voltage arcing.
  3. Impedance Matching: Because the parallel paths will drop the native impedance (likely down to 15–25 Ω), I plan to bypass lossy/meltable commercial baluns and use a rugged Quarter-Wave 75-Ohm Coaxial Transformer (RG-11) to step it up to a clean 50 Ω match.

Where I Need Help:
Before I start cutting heavy wire and building the frame, I would love some help from the software modelers here:
  • Can anyone help me map this specific geometry in 4NEC2 or EZNEC?
  • I want to see what the actual horizontal radiation pattern looks like, how uniform the 360-degree coverage is, and what the true native feed point impedance (Z) looks like at 27.8 MHz.
  • Are there any obvious phase-cancellation traps in this specific single-wire weave that I might be overlooking?
Appreciate any thoughts, critiques, or modeling assistance you guys can offer!
 

I have not put any math to it yet but just thinking about it there is no aperture to get good receive and I bet it would have huge deep nulls and peaks but perhaps more vertical and I dont think the swr would have much bandwidth if you can match it. Then the opposing currents would not be helpful and just cancel each other out. I am more afraid that you would be building a dummy load and not a very good antenna.
 
I have not put any math to it yet but just thinking about it there is no aperture to get good receive and I bet it would have huge deep nulls and peaks but perhaps more vertical and I dont think the swr would have much bandwidth if you can match it. Then the opposing currents would not be helpful and just cancel each other out. I am more afraid that you would be building a dummy load and not a very good antenna.
Honestly I saw the hour glass loop and for some reason I thought well what would happen if I just kept it going to try and make up for it’s lack in direction sure I could maybe put in on a small rotor to achieve more efficiency in direction. But also I don’t see a lot of new concepts and I am only 32 and have a wild imagination I guess I been working with my dad on his stations and he always gets my brain working and we don’t always communicate the best so I am seeking more options and opinions
 
Well, there is nothing wrong with thinking about antenna building. I build all my own antennas, wire antennas I should say. Working on a 80-10 meter 1/2 square build right now. It will be center fed with 600 ohm ladder line and replace my 100' doublet and use its 3/16 Dacron rope supports at 50' up and its 95' ladder line feed. Have you thought about building a horizontal loop for 11 meter? Cut a wire total length of about 36 feet 3 inches (calculated by the formula Length in feet = 1005 / Frequency in MHz). Shape it into a square, rectangle, or triangle but try to keep every side a different length, and feed it using a 75-ohm coaxial matching section or a 2:1/4:1 balun.
 

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