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So anyone planing a Galium Nitride final upgrade yet?

Onelasttime

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I do not know if it is even a thing yet but we see their yse in microwave systems, weapon systems, power bricks and audio amplifiers for hifi so just thought I would ask. This site hopped onto cheap switching mosfets like a fat kid onto the last cup cake at a birthday party. It seemed like a good place to ask this.

I am just waiting for BBi, D-Rail or Mr. North to bring something to the market.

Any thoughts on the topic?
 

No one???I am sure someone on here wants to get 200 watts from a signle final radio and use vibrational cooling system?? LOL
 
Gallium Nitride? I thought that was the secret sauce inside blue LEDs. I have seen ads for silicon carbide power MOSFETs. Figured I'd let someone else do the legwork to see if the specs suggest more RF gain per buck than a proper RF transistor.

Not even hearing crickets yet.

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Gallium Nitride? I thought that was the secret sauce inside blue LEDs. I have seen ads for silicon carbide power MOSFETs. Figured I'd let someone else do the legwork to see if the specs suggest more RF gain per buck than a proper RF transistor.

Not even hearing crickets yet.

73
Latest digital anti-drone systems are using Gallium Nitride amplifier packages combined in series and parallel to get what they need. Think of them like reuseable portable some what easy to power EMP like devices. They are using astronomical amounts of power compared to what would have been considered reasonable 10-20 years ago. The fact that it is pulsed makes it possible.

GaN chips are the next big thing. You are already seeing them in switching power supplies as well to get a high current supply into a very small package.
 
GaNi devices are definiely the next big thing in Power amp chips. As with all new tech they are 2-3 times more expensive then LDMOS, but with their higher power handling capability are actually Inline with LDMOS in cost. Use in audio power amps is increasing, as well as in broadcast power amps. A few years down the line, 2Kw rf amps using these chips will be common. Maybe sooner. It maybe a smart thing to stock up on MOS and LDMOS devices now as replacements for today's equipment. Like Bipolar devices they will be gone sooner then later.

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This site hopped onto cheap switching mosfets like a fat kid onto the last cup cake at a birthday party. It seemed like a good place to ask this.

I am just waiting for BBi, D-Rail or Mr. North to bring something to the market.

Any thoughts on the topic?
I think the cheap switching mosfets were decided on by Ranger and Galaxy to save a buck or two. The radio world was forced to deal with the results. I think any of the new Ranger products would be much better radio's if they used mosfets designed for that application.

I recently had to have the finals in my Yaesu FT-991a replaced. They were like $70 each retail, RF Parts has them for $54. So the cost is more then a buck or two lol. But if Ranger made the RCI-69 base radio with those finals and a nice TCXO imagine what a great radio it would be.
 
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MOSFETs designed to be RF power amplifiers have SWR protection. They also cost ten, twenty times or more what the mass-produced switchmode power-supply MOSFETs like the IRF520, FQP13N10, etc sell for.

That price difference is 100 percent why you see them in a CB or 10-meter radio. They don't stand up to high SWR, the power gain is low and they're not efficient.

But they're really cheap. If they'll last the warranty period, that's all the manufacturer needs to know.

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Gargled Gallium Nitride MOSFETs. TI, S-T and Infineon came up. Every one I found is surface mount. Only one that had any specs to offer was Infineon. Doesn't look like they'll be offered in a package with wire leads you can home-brew easily.

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GaNi devices are definiely the next big thing in Power amp chips. As with all new tech they are 2-3 times more expensive then LDMOS, but with their higher power handling capability are actually Inline with LDMOS in cost. Use in audio power amps is increasing, as well as in broadcast power amps. A few years down the line, 2Kw rf amps using these chips will be common. Maybe sooner. It maybe a smart thing to stock up on MOS and LDMOS devices now as replacements for today's equipment. Like Bipolar devices they will be gone sooner then later.

- J.J. 399
Yes I own an audio amp with them. Well actualy it is on loan. I am not sure it is for me. That said nothing wrong with it. It just has not blown me away. That said I am a hard person to impress when it comes to hifi/audiophile gear being a child of the 1970's and 1980's! I expect way more than I normaly get and often the price point today is stupid for what you are actualy getting. Having grown up with class A and A/B with often 80+ volts on the rails and tube gear also I expect a lot.

Power supply effeciency in compact packages and rf bandwidth at high power levels is where I think these devices shine right now. I am not an expert though just a high end user.

The real problem in audio is no one wants to actual build a great product at a fair price with decent markup. They want max profit margins so the bottom end is well served and the top end price no object is well served. It is the middle ground that suffers. No one wants to spend the money on copper and steel and use appropriate rail voltages. Everyone wants to design a small foot print cheap to build device that is good enough and maybe toss digital features that cost almost nothing over building a high headroom, voltage/current stable, low noise floor, high amplification high current device.

If your willing to pay $5000 to $10,000 you can get something similar to a 1970's or 1980's $500 amplifier.

No one wants to put dedicated switches and analog circuits they all want absolutely idiotic poorly designed menu driven interfaces etc.....Imagine if you will a repeat of the stupid desire for table top all in one amplifiers for RF but instead of giving a tune and load knob or any other external controlls you had 1 button on the front and a $9 remote control and you had to go through that disaster of a menu to adjust all the things on your amp.

The worst part is even when they claim to be American Made, Italin Made etc....You can tell the board was made in China and it was likely designed there and just populated in the USA or Italy.

So far low voltage low current transistors can not compare to the stuff of the 1970 through late 1980's.

Speakers have gotten smaller as well but not better. Design is better and tuning is slightly better but the effeciency of the speakers has dropped and combined with the drop in current, damping factory and power output of modern amplifiers the advances in DAC's and lossless audio formats has not done much until again you get into $10,000 DAC's and $20,000 turn tables which to me is a step backwards not forwards!

In terms of RF amplifier 1970's through 1980's where the best value and variety until you get into the 1990's and had some great stuff int he LDMOS realm from JRC and SGC smart cube where it's ease of use and durability was fantastic etc.....Outside of cell phones and graphics cards most electronics have declined. Name anyone that builds rf amps like Henry, Alpha, SGC. JRC where you get power, durability, and a very good value because the price was not insane!
 
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Yes I own an audio amp with them. Well actualy it is on loan. I am not sure it is for me. That said nothing wrong with it. It just has not blown me away. That said I am a hard person to impress when it comes to hifi/audiophile gear being a child of the 1970's and 1980's! I expect way more than I normaly get and often the price point today is stupid for what you are actualy getting. Having grown up with class A and A/B with often 80+ volts on the rails and tube gear also I expect a lot.

Power supply effeciency in compact packages and rf bandwidth at high power levels is where I think these devices shine right now. I am not an expert though just a high end user.

The real problem in audio is no one wants to actual build a great product at a fair price with decent markup. They want max profit margins so the bottom end is well served and the top end price no object is well served. It is the middle ground that suffers. No one wants to spend the money on copper and steel and use appropriate rail voltages. Everyone wants to design a small foot print cheap to build device that is good enough and maybe toss digital features that cost almost nothing over building a high headroom, voltage/current stable, low noise floor, high amplification high current device.

If your willing to pay $5000 to $10,000 you can get something similar to a 1970's or 1980's $500 amplifier.

No one wants to put dedicated switches and analog circuits they all want absolutely idiotic poorly designed menu driven interfaces etc.....Imagine if you will a repeat of the stupid desire for table top all in one amplifiers for RF but instead of giving a tune and load knob or any other external controlls you had 1 button on the front and a $9 remote control and you had to go through that disaster of a menu to adjust all the things on your amp.

The worst part is even when they claim to be American Made, Italin Made etc....You can tell the board was made in China and it was likely designed there and just populated in the USA or Italy.

So far low voltage low current transistors can not compare to the stuff of the 1970 through late 1980's.

Speakers have gotten smaller as well but not better. Design is better and tuning is slightly better but the effeciency of the speakers has dropped and combined with the drop in current, damping factory and power output of modern amplifiers the advances in DAC's and lossless audio formats has not done much until again you get into $10,000 DAC's and $20,000 turn tables which to me is a step backwards not forwards!

In terms of RF amplifier 1970's through 1980's where the best value and variety until you get into the 1990's and had some great stuff int he LDMOS realm from JRC and SGC smart cube where it's ease of use and durability was fantastic etc.....Outside of cell phones and graphics cards most electronics have declined. Name anyone that builds rf amps like Henry, Alpha, SGC. JRC where you get power, durability, and a very good value because the price was not insane!
I'm hoping McIntosh comes out with an RF amp (never gonna happen, but I can hope lol)
 
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I'm hoping McIntosh comes out with an RF amp (never gonna happen, but I can hope lol)
I sold at least 3 different McIntosh amps thinking I would purchase again latter after college but never happened. I sold Sansui mono-blocks and a ton of other high end gear. Never thought things would go the way they did 1990+!

Even though one of my degree's is a Business degree most of my background is science, medicine, and manufacturing I did not see the audiophile gear decline and insane price increase comming. I got caught with my pants down and by the time I saw what was happening it was too late and I was too broke!

I hope the sale of McIntosh does not end poorly. That said I am a bit jaded and do not expect much! Hedge Fund companies have been the death of the audio industry, huntng and outdoors gear, ammo, and firarms industry just to name a few. Look at auto industry and aviation over the last 30 years!
 
I forget the name of the parent company, but I think McIntosh, Denon, Marantz, Alto etc are all under one roof now, and from what I see from Alto (did some powered sub repairs), I don't have high hopes for the rest of them moving forward. Time will tell though. The older McIntosh amps are something I will never forget, and probably never experience again. It's something that words just can't explain.
 

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