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CW,
I'm not going to respond to the topic as I think Bandaid-kid is doing fine, but I have a curious question as to the manner you responded in a couple posts. Why do use the talk you do when referring to CBers "conversations" ? Do you think the majority of CBers use that lingo?
God bless you all !
CDX-897
OT-897
WV-897
CM-2368
American Kangaroo-1897</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://b2.ezboard.com/bworldwidecbradioclub.showUserPublicProfile?gid=sonwatcher@worldwidecbradioclub>Sonwatcher</A> at: 4/26/04 5:56 pm
I'm not going to respond to the topic as I think Bandaid-kid is doing fine, but I have a curious question as to the manner you responded in a couple posts. Why do use the talk you do when referring to CBers "conversations" ? Do you think the majority of CBers use that lingo?
God bless you all !
CDX-897
OT-897
WV-897
CM-2368
American Kangaroo-1897</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://b2.ezboard.com/bworldwidecbradioclub.showUserPublicProfile?gid=sonwatcher@worldwidecbradioclub>Sonwatcher</A> at: 4/26/04 5:56 pm
R
range rider
Guest
Hasen't this horse been whipped enough? Give it a rest! Seems like an awfull lot of nitpickin to me.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes">
CDX-878
</p>
CDX-878
</p>
First of all I never posted in this topic condoning anything. Yje problem I see is that CW can come ib here with a the rules and regulations pointing his finger at CBers but when someone speaks of a possible infraction of the acuser they respond defensive and defend their own actions. CBers can be be railed against anyway they want just go to their forums (ham) and read how they are hated. But when one comes in here he can't sit under the same scrutiny. All I did was ask a question of an FCC rule . I found several seasoned hams on their own forums that stated the actions in question were illegal for hams according to -
§97.101(d) No amateur operator shall willfully or maliciously interfere with or cause interference to any radio communication or signal.
No where did I say hams shouldn't go after illegal stations on their bands but there are ways that ARE laid out on how to correctly do this. If my interpretation is not right so be it, but it seems funny that some hams that are seasoned in their law and practice interpret it the same way.
I guess I also am taking a break from here. I'm sorry for seeking answers to unanswerable questions. And yes I DO NOT seem to understand how a ham can LEGALLY acquire an EXPORT radio when according to law it is illegal to manufacture, sell,use by "any person" to begin with.
Oh, well take care everyone. It has been fun<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT="
">
God bless you all !
CDX-897
OT-897
WV-897
CM-2368
American Kangaroo-1897</p>
§97.101(d) No amateur operator shall willfully or maliciously interfere with or cause interference to any radio communication or signal.
No where did I say hams shouldn't go after illegal stations on their bands but there are ways that ARE laid out on how to correctly do this. If my interpretation is not right so be it, but it seems funny that some hams that are seasoned in their law and practice interpret it the same way.
I guess I also am taking a break from here. I'm sorry for seeking answers to unanswerable questions. And yes I DO NOT seem to understand how a ham can LEGALLY acquire an EXPORT radio when according to law it is illegal to manufacture, sell,use by "any person" to begin with.
Oh, well take care everyone. It has been fun<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT="
">
God bless you all !
CDX-897
OT-897
WV-897
CM-2368
American Kangaroo-1897</p>
OK, I've had enough of this. CW Morse, I don't have any problem with someone posting FCC Activity on the forum as news. However, you have not contributed 1 single helpful item to anyone else here on any other topic.
This forum is and always will be welcome to CBers, Hams, and Freebanders. Everyone knows that going in. This is NOT the place to publicly pass judgement on anyone else's enjoyment of the hobby, reglardless of the legalities.
As such, this section now has new ground rules. Post news stories, make a comment if you want, but DO NOT break into an argument over other's operating, marketing, or sales practices.
CW Morse: I suggest that if all you intend to do for this forum is copy and paste news articles from the ARRL or FCC page, then you have nothing useful to contribute here. We all already know where to go get the info if we want it. If you intend to be helpful to others in the radio hobby in the other sections of the forum, then we will welcome you. The choice is yours.
Moleculo
</p>
This forum is and always will be welcome to CBers, Hams, and Freebanders. Everyone knows that going in. This is NOT the place to publicly pass judgement on anyone else's enjoyment of the hobby, reglardless of the legalities.
As such, this section now has new ground rules. Post news stories, make a comment if you want, but DO NOT break into an argument over other's operating, marketing, or sales practices.
CW Morse: I suggest that if all you intend to do for this forum is copy and paste news articles from the ARRL or FCC page, then you have nothing useful to contribute here. We all already know where to go get the info if we want it. If you intend to be helpful to others in the radio hobby in the other sections of the forum, then we will welcome you. The choice is yours.
Moleculo
</p>
Thanks Tuck!
Wayne C.
CDX-787
mobile/base
Magna Force 900
HR2600/Kenwood TS-430S
MR. COILY Single Coil/Wolf .64
D104M6B/MC-60 desk
Every man is a damn fool for at least 5 minutes every day; wisdom consists in not exceeding the limit.
</p>
Wayne C.
CDX-787
mobile/base
Magna Force 900
HR2600/Kenwood TS-430S
MR. COILY Single Coil/Wolf .64
D104M6B/MC-60 desk
Every man is a damn fool for at least 5 minutes every day; wisdom consists in not exceeding the limit.
</p>
speaking of Dead Horses........
Subject: Riding a Dead Horse
The tribal wisdom of the Dakota Indians passed on from generation to generation says that; "When you discover that you are riding a dead horse the best strategy is to dismount." However in government, education, and in corporate America, more advanced strategies are often employed including:
1. Buying a stronger whip.
2. Changing riders.
3. Appointing a committee to study the horse.
4. Arranging to visit other countries to see how other cultures ride horses.
5. Lowering the standards so that dead horses can be included.
6. Reclassifying the dead horse as living-impaired.
7. Hiring outside contractors to ride the dead horse.
8. Harnessing several dead horses together to increase speed.
9. Providing additional funding and/or training to increase dead horse's performance.
10. Doing a productivity study to see if lighter riders would improve the dead horse's performance.
11. Declaring that as the dead horse does not have to be fed, it is less costly, carries lower overhead and therefore contributes substantially more to the bottom line of the economy than do some other horses.
12. Rewriting the expected performance requirements for all horses.
And of course, everyone's favorite.
13. Promoting the dead horse to a supervisory position.
"§97.101(d) No amateur operator shall willfully or maliciously interfere with or cause interference to any radio communication or signal."
Part 97 was written/given to amateur radio operators and it pertains to only amateur radio operators. on the other hand, the maximum authorized operating frequency under Part 95 is 27.405 Mhz, written/given to cb radio operators and pertaining only to cb radio operators. to any reasonable person these definitions constitute boundaries. stay within them as is applicable to the service in use. blurring the boundaries only causes dissension and strife.
dissension: difference of opinion, disagreement. discord.
as to the freebanding issue, i recommend you steer clear of the listed frequencies between 25 - 30 mhz.
www.firecommunications.com/allocate.txt
P.S. one other thing K3DAV forgot to mention in his list of facts: CB Radio as defined under Title 47, Part 95, Subpart D, Sec. 95-401 IS NOT A "HOBBY."
use your browsers "find in page" feature and see if you can locate the word anywhere.
on the other hand, amateur radio IS A HOBBY!
both "HORSES" come with instructions.
</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p067.ezboard.com/bworldwidecbradioclub.showUserPublicProfile?gid=freecell>freecell</A> at: 5/5/04 12:33 pm
Subject: Riding a Dead Horse
The tribal wisdom of the Dakota Indians passed on from generation to generation says that; "When you discover that you are riding a dead horse the best strategy is to dismount." However in government, education, and in corporate America, more advanced strategies are often employed including:
1. Buying a stronger whip.
2. Changing riders.
3. Appointing a committee to study the horse.
4. Arranging to visit other countries to see how other cultures ride horses.
5. Lowering the standards so that dead horses can be included.
6. Reclassifying the dead horse as living-impaired.
7. Hiring outside contractors to ride the dead horse.
8. Harnessing several dead horses together to increase speed.
9. Providing additional funding and/or training to increase dead horse's performance.
10. Doing a productivity study to see if lighter riders would improve the dead horse's performance.
11. Declaring that as the dead horse does not have to be fed, it is less costly, carries lower overhead and therefore contributes substantially more to the bottom line of the economy than do some other horses.
12. Rewriting the expected performance requirements for all horses.
And of course, everyone's favorite.
13. Promoting the dead horse to a supervisory position.
"§97.101(d) No amateur operator shall willfully or maliciously interfere with or cause interference to any radio communication or signal."
Part 97 was written/given to amateur radio operators and it pertains to only amateur radio operators. on the other hand, the maximum authorized operating frequency under Part 95 is 27.405 Mhz, written/given to cb radio operators and pertaining only to cb radio operators. to any reasonable person these definitions constitute boundaries. stay within them as is applicable to the service in use. blurring the boundaries only causes dissension and strife.
dissension: difference of opinion, disagreement. discord.
as to the freebanding issue, i recommend you steer clear of the listed frequencies between 25 - 30 mhz.
www.firecommunications.com/allocate.txt
P.S. one other thing K3DAV forgot to mention in his list of facts: CB Radio as defined under Title 47, Part 95, Subpart D, Sec. 95-401 IS NOT A "HOBBY."
use your browsers "find in page" feature and see if you can locate the word anywhere.
on the other hand, amateur radio IS A HOBBY!
both "HORSES" come with instructions.
</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p067.ezboard.com/bworldwidecbradioclub.showUserPublicProfile?gid=freecell>freecell</A> at: 5/5/04 12:33 pm
R
range rider
Guest
I have a horse out here that needs to be broke. You have the instruction manual..........so he is here just waitin. This is one rodeo that I am lookin foreward to. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT="">
CDX-878
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CDX-878
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That's sad. I was reading a statement from Dave above that was a ranting about the practices of this forum and was amazed at a statement he made at the end -
"Defending the illegal use of radio is like saying murder is OK anytime. THEY ARE BOTH AGAINST THE LAW, AND ARE PUNISHABLE BY LAW. There IS no defence of illegal activity. WHY?? Because it's illegal.
I am sure that I will catch a ton of flack for this post, but I will never see it. So have a field day. To all of those who have the sense not to defend what is illegal, take care and it's been a pleasure posting with you. "
Below is his defense of his own illegal use of a radio not certified by the FCC for use on the bands he was useing. He posted this in the VHF UHF section.
"To determine if a particular radio is permissible to use as a MURS station, you will need to verify
that it is certificated specifically and exclusively for MURS use under the new FCC Rules;
or
that it is currently certificated (type-approved) for Part 90 operation, and was certificated for this use prior to November 12, 2002"
and of couse, there is more. However, I'm pretty sure the 706 does not fall into the above category.
_____
Buttfuzz in the Mobile
K3DAV
Senior Member
(50-99 Posts)
Posts: 58
(4/1/04 1:29 am)
Reply Re: New CB Band, VHF MURs
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I know Buttfuzz. But if we keep our power output down to 2 watts (Legal Max for MURS), we probably won't get noticed or draw any attention. We always go by the part 95 rules and we don't get out of hand. We just have casual conversations, and a little fun.
Actually, with an outside antenna, (2 meter antenna loads very nicely), and 2 watts, the MURS frequencies carry pretty far. I've talk to guys 30 miles away with a fair signal. The conditions are the same as on 2 meters. After all. MURS is only 3 MHz above 2 meters.
It's a nice alternative band, and still fairly quiet.
73 de Dave
----------------
ICOM 706MKIIG
D-104 mic
Comet GP-15
Bal. Dipole
This double standard is what bothers me if someone is going to rant and rave about everyone other than look in their own closets.
God bless you all !
CDX-897
OT-897
WV-897
CM-2368
American Kangaroo-1897</p>
"Defending the illegal use of radio is like saying murder is OK anytime. THEY ARE BOTH AGAINST THE LAW, AND ARE PUNISHABLE BY LAW. There IS no defence of illegal activity. WHY?? Because it's illegal.
I am sure that I will catch a ton of flack for this post, but I will never see it. So have a field day. To all of those who have the sense not to defend what is illegal, take care and it's been a pleasure posting with you. "
Below is his defense of his own illegal use of a radio not certified by the FCC for use on the bands he was useing. He posted this in the VHF UHF section.
"To determine if a particular radio is permissible to use as a MURS station, you will need to verify
that it is certificated specifically and exclusively for MURS use under the new FCC Rules;
or
that it is currently certificated (type-approved) for Part 90 operation, and was certificated for this use prior to November 12, 2002"
and of couse, there is more. However, I'm pretty sure the 706 does not fall into the above category.
_____
Buttfuzz in the Mobile
K3DAV
Senior Member
(50-99 Posts)
Posts: 58
(4/1/04 1:29 am)
Reply Re: New CB Band, VHF MURs
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I know Buttfuzz. But if we keep our power output down to 2 watts (Legal Max for MURS), we probably won't get noticed or draw any attention. We always go by the part 95 rules and we don't get out of hand. We just have casual conversations, and a little fun.
Actually, with an outside antenna, (2 meter antenna loads very nicely), and 2 watts, the MURS frequencies carry pretty far. I've talk to guys 30 miles away with a fair signal. The conditions are the same as on 2 meters. After all. MURS is only 3 MHz above 2 meters.
It's a nice alternative band, and still fairly quiet.
73 de Dave
----------------
ICOM 706MKIIG
D-104 mic
Comet GP-15
Bal. Dipole
This double standard is what bothers me if someone is going to rant and rave about everyone other than look in their own closets.
God bless you all !
CDX-897
OT-897
WV-897
CM-2368
American Kangaroo-1897</p>
Dave,
The reason I came to my conclusion is because of your response to BUTTFUZZ-
<blockquote>Quote:<hr>But if we keep our power output down to 2 watts (Legal Max for MURS), <span style="text-decoration:underline">we probably won't get noticed or draw any attention</span><hr></blockquote>
This seemed to infer you knew you were doing something wrong. If I am wrong I apologize.
Dave , I have nothing against ham operaters. It's just that lately hams have decided to join CB forums and gleefully tell of cber's getting busted. I don't see the problem on this forum of people going into the ham bands.I would love to get my general ticket so I could talk on those band. I enjoy talking to people and it would be wonderful to do so on those bands but I would never do so without a license. There are people that do things here I would not do myself but I leave them to themselves. I just enjoy learning about radio and reading posts from knowledgable people. The problem I have with CWM is he seems to be agenda motivated. He would do a lot more in directing people toward ham if he would get to know people and spark an interest by sharing his excitment of the hobby and getting involved in the ham section with peoples questions. I just feel it would be far more reaching and constructive rather than coming in on the attack. I have no problem with hams except for some selfrighteous ones that in all honesty are very discouraging to the new person. I really enjoy your posts and hope you continue to do so.As far as the rest of your reply to me I am in total agreement. I just think other ways of approaching a problem can be better served for both factions.
Take care friend.
God bless you all !
CDX-897
OT-897
WV-897
CM-2368
American Kangaroo-1897</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p067.ezboard.com/bworldwidecbradioclub.showUserPublicProfile?gid=sonwatcher@worldwidecbradioclub>Sonwatcher</A> at: 5/10/04 1:51 pm
The reason I came to my conclusion is because of your response to BUTTFUZZ-
<blockquote>Quote:<hr>But if we keep our power output down to 2 watts (Legal Max for MURS), <span style="text-decoration:underline">we probably won't get noticed or draw any attention</span><hr></blockquote>
This seemed to infer you knew you were doing something wrong. If I am wrong I apologize.
Dave , I have nothing against ham operaters. It's just that lately hams have decided to join CB forums and gleefully tell of cber's getting busted. I don't see the problem on this forum of people going into the ham bands.I would love to get my general ticket so I could talk on those band. I enjoy talking to people and it would be wonderful to do so on those bands but I would never do so without a license. There are people that do things here I would not do myself but I leave them to themselves. I just enjoy learning about radio and reading posts from knowledgable people. The problem I have with CWM is he seems to be agenda motivated. He would do a lot more in directing people toward ham if he would get to know people and spark an interest by sharing his excitment of the hobby and getting involved in the ham section with peoples questions. I just feel it would be far more reaching and constructive rather than coming in on the attack. I have no problem with hams except for some selfrighteous ones that in all honesty are very discouraging to the new person. I really enjoy your posts and hope you continue to do so.As far as the rest of your reply to me I am in total agreement. I just think other ways of approaching a problem can be better served for both factions.
Take care friend.
God bless you all !
CDX-897
OT-897
WV-897
CM-2368
American Kangaroo-1897</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p067.ezboard.com/bworldwidecbradioclub.showUserPublicProfile?gid=sonwatcher@worldwidecbradioclub>Sonwatcher</A> at: 5/10/04 1:51 pm
CW,
I think if you go to the following url a person MAY get the impression you were pretty excited about the news you posted by observing the 4 faces smiling and clapping their hands at the posted bust.
thequackshack.com/forums/...ac3db518cf
I have NO problem with what you say. I just think you could spark a greater interest in your hobby by encouraging in other posts about the hobby. You don't seem interested in that as much as you are in just "appearing" to be a radio policeman.tI think you could be of great benefit if you showed other interests toward fellow cb operators besides just posting enforcement data. I see you have an Advanced ticket and would presume you would have great knowledge to share here. There are many here interested in Ham radio and would welcome your input. I do agree with your concern but just sharing my personal opinion of a way you could lead more horses to water.
God bless you all !
CDX-897
OT-897
WV-897
CM-2368
American Kangaroo-1897</p>
I think if you go to the following url a person MAY get the impression you were pretty excited about the news you posted by observing the 4 faces smiling and clapping their hands at the posted bust.
thequackshack.com/forums/...ac3db518cf
I have NO problem with what you say. I just think you could spark a greater interest in your hobby by encouraging in other posts about the hobby. You don't seem interested in that as much as you are in just "appearing" to be a radio policeman.tI think you could be of great benefit if you showed other interests toward fellow cb operators besides just posting enforcement data. I see you have an Advanced ticket and would presume you would have great knowledge to share here. There are many here interested in Ham radio and would welcome your input. I do agree with your concern but just sharing my personal opinion of a way you could lead more horses to water.
God bless you all !
CDX-897
OT-897
WV-897
CM-2368
American Kangaroo-1897</p>
CW,
I posted that url because you asked me a question
<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Well, let me just ask you, Sonwatcher, where I "gleefully" posted stuff about CBers getting busted<hr></blockquote>
So I gave you an example. No one said you were a villain. I never said you would stop me from seeking an HF license. I just asked why you don't ALSO post in other areas that would be an encouragement to those interested in Ham. You know that "good will" thing in the amateur's code ? You just seem directed in one way and you seem defensive to my request. I didn't think it was a bad thing to ask you. I just hope you aren't so single-focused on posting and speaking of illegalities that you forgot the bigger picture of ham to others. You don't seem to be as vehement toward the illegalities of your fellow operators. Do you go on eham and qrz and post about those using bad language and other legal issues as much as you seem obsessed with bootleggers on the ham bands ? I DON"T think it is ok for nolicensed people to be on the ham bands and you keep going back to that. I just asked if it were possible for you to pull yourself away enough to help others here in other areas that you feel you could be a benefit to ?
God bless you all !
CDX-897
OT-897
WV-897
CM-2368
American Kangaroo-1897</p>
I posted that url because you asked me a question
<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Well, let me just ask you, Sonwatcher, where I "gleefully" posted stuff about CBers getting busted<hr></blockquote>
So I gave you an example. No one said you were a villain. I never said you would stop me from seeking an HF license. I just asked why you don't ALSO post in other areas that would be an encouragement to those interested in Ham. You know that "good will" thing in the amateur's code ? You just seem directed in one way and you seem defensive to my request. I didn't think it was a bad thing to ask you. I just hope you aren't so single-focused on posting and speaking of illegalities that you forgot the bigger picture of ham to others. You don't seem to be as vehement toward the illegalities of your fellow operators. Do you go on eham and qrz and post about those using bad language and other legal issues as much as you seem obsessed with bootleggers on the ham bands ? I DON"T think it is ok for nolicensed people to be on the ham bands and you keep going back to that. I just asked if it were possible for you to pull yourself away enough to help others here in other areas that you feel you could be a benefit to ?
God bless you all !
CDX-897
OT-897
WV-897
CM-2368
American Kangaroo-1897</p>
K
KD5VHF
Guest
CWM, You mention talking in the ham bands. Are you licensed? Do you have a call sign? If so, I don't see it listed in your profile. It seems to me if you are so pro amateur radio, you would be proud to display your call. It's starting to look like maybe you aren't even licensed and just picked a subject to rant on and get attention. If you have a license, <span style="color:red;">PROVE IT</span>. This "ragging" is not doing anything but causing more friction between CB and Amateur radio. If you really feel the need to "set the world right", There are many more folks running red lights than there are "freebanders". Maybe you should go stand at a busy intersection and preach to the folks driving by. Bring along a Big Chief tablet and write down license plate numbers of the offenders. If folks are interested in who just got busted for illegal radio activity they know where to go to see it. If it's useful info like rule changes or proposals, this can help everyone. If it's just going on and on about something you feel you just have to get on a soap box and preach about then by all means find your self a soap box to stand on and holler as loud as you can. Just leave it out of here please. This is getting way too old. Just a suggestion....Why not "harness" all that energy and feelings and use it to fight BPL. Don't you think BPL is a <span style="color:red;font-size:x-large;">MUCH bigger threat ?</span>
<hr />73, Mike KD5VHF@ARRL.net</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p067.ezboard.com/bworldwidecbradioclub.showUserPublicProfile?gid=kd5vhf>KD5VHF</A> at: 5/10/04 10:36 pm
<hr />73, Mike KD5VHF@ARRL.net</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p067.ezboard.com/bworldwidecbradioclub.showUserPublicProfile?gid=kd5vhf>KD5VHF</A> at: 5/10/04 10:36 pm
8
8220 GRUMPY
Guest
K4KWH
[address edited]
I hope you are having fun Jerry. You are doing nothing but making this a CB -vs- Ham war and it really needs to stop!
</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p067.ezboard.com/bworldwidecbradioclub.showUserPublicProfile?gid=moleculocdx363>MoleculoCDX363</A> at: 5/11/04 1:00 pm
[address edited]
I hope you are having fun Jerry. You are doing nothing but making this a CB -vs- Ham war and it really needs to stop!
</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p067.ezboard.com/bworldwidecbradioclub.showUserPublicProfile?gid=moleculocdx363>MoleculoCDX363</A> at: 5/11/04 1:00 pm
Grumpy, I had to edit your post to take out the address only because the EZBoard company has a policy against posting address and phone number info that they're strict about enforcing.
Instead, I've provided a link below to the info on the FCC's site for those that wish to see it:
Jerry Oxendine
Moleculo
</p>
Instead, I've provided a link below to the info on the FCC's site for those that wish to see it:
Jerry Oxendine
Moleculo
</p>