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SSB radios with the PLL02A ic inf needed

Techno1

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Has anyone been successful in getting the 5kc and 10kc mods on the pll02a SSB radios like the GE Superbase the Lafayette Telsat 140 or the midland 78-999 and other SSB radios

Says on the net that pin 4 is not connected to anything but has an internal resistor. Says to take pin high or low and I tried both for the 5kc jump and nothing.

Has anyone had any luck with this 5kc mod

thanks
 

There is decent information on that PLL here:

Pin 4 is not a simple 5kc jump. It doesn't work like that. When you bring that pin low, the 10.24MHz reference is divided by 2048 instead of 1024. This sends 5kc to the phase detector instead of 10kc. On the surface, it may seem that this would shift the output by 5kc, but it doesn't, it shifts it by 5kc*N.

SSB radios have clarifiers and you might be better off attacking it there and hoping there is enough pulling range. I have not yet looked at any of the radio schematics you listed, but if we look at this PLL02A diagram from the internet, we can see how screwed we would be if this was the circuit we had to work with.1784888225107.png
Lets say you ground pin 4 and have 5kc at the phase detector. To have the same VCO frequency, we would need an N value of 660 for ch1. Unfortunately, we only have 9 binary inputs and 2^9=512.

If you were to leave it at 10kc and pull the 10.695MHz crystal by 5kc (may be tricky), it would only affect TX and do nothing for RX. That's useless too.

If you were to pull the 10.24MHz crystal, setting aside the PLL error it will introduce, this too is a terrible mod because TX uses the doubled signal only whereas RX uses both the doubled signal and the fundamental in two separate mixers. The pulling would have to be different for RX and TX.

I am not saying it is impossible, but one thing I can tell you is that for 5kc steps on the binary inputs, you need a top end loop mix output below 5kc * (2^9 -1), or 2.555MHz, to not run out of N values. Such a mod would likely have the channel dial moved over to the 8 most significant bits and a toggle on the least significant bit to operate the 5kc jump. Or something like that.

I better go to bed, my lungs need a break lol.
 
Nomad

thanks for the Info

the pll02a ssb radios not AM radios uses a 10.0525 master xtal and a 10.165 will give highs 40 above and 9.94 will give lows 40 below these xtal can maybe with a trim cap adjusted for the half channels. Just like the master xtal in the mb8719 radios that use the 11.3258 and 11.1125 xtal.
Well i was just reading about the pll02a and this was posted about pin 4 which was to good to be true.

I know a 10kc jump can be done on the ssb 02As was hoping to also do a 5kc jump as the opening of the clarifier on these radios you dont get much of a swing to slide

Well if you get any info or anyone who has a way to get a 5kc jump on the ssb 02A please pose here.

Nomad hope you got some sleep LOL
 
The easiest way to get a 5kc jump may be to buy a module from Mr Maurer: http://funkservice.at/en_pll-modul.htm

DDS VFO is another. You can buy one easy enough, although they're not at all difficult to build if you don't mind having to code your own bells and whistles.

Pulling the mixer crystal can work. Don't have the specs for what value of variable cap to put in there. I would recommend using a transistor to do the actual switching in and out of the circuit so that the lead lengths to the physical switch don't introduce stray capacitance that has to be corrected for, and which can change if the leads get moved.
 

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