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Druid

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Hi everyone, I came to this site to get information on communications gear to support small unit tactics. I'm looking to get info on HT for each member, mobile and fixed base stations and scanners.

We will be operating in NE Ohio, at least in the short term running surveillance on drilling operations when they commence in local state parks.

We are a grass roots organization trying to stop the drilling. Right now any expense is going to be out of pocket.

We are so far a group made up of disabled combat vets.(Nam through the latest Sandbox wars). We have 2 squids, 1 jar-head, a couple of ground pounders and an airedale, plus a couple of civvies with woodsman skills. But so far no one with any civilian comm. skills!

We are also setting up a not for profit organization and getting a web site set up. So any help would be greatly appreciated!
 

Superidgit

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Hey welcome to the forum.

I am sure you will quite a few very knowledge people here at this forum that will be more than willing to help you.

Just a few questions for ya.

How big of a budget are you thinking?
Sticking with 11m will probably be the cheapest all around for all your wants.

What band are you looking to operate on?

Theres a lot of options out there for you. I have even seen on Ebay a base and several HT's for sale as a package.

Looking forward to all your questions.:pop:
 

AudioShockwav

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It is going to depend a lot on what kind of range you will need.
You might want to look into some GMRS radios.

GMRS
GMRS ~ MURS INFORMATION


General Mobile Radio Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They can often be found for "reasonable" prices on E-Bay
If you want any kind of range at all stay away from the FRS units, they just do not provide much power, and even the GMRS hand held`s have limits depending what kind of terrain you need to cover.
To get any real range, you will need Antennas and a Repeater set up.
Here is a Clip from one of the web site`s listed above that will give you an Idea of range:

What is the Typical Communications Range?
At 460 MHz, communications range is determined primarily by the height of the antennas and the nature of the surrounding countryside. Raising the height of the antenna from 4 feet above ground (the height of a typical car roof) to 30 feet above the ground can extend the communications range by as much as 300% or more.
> For Mobile-to-Mobile Communications
For a typical 2- to 4-watt handheld transceiver, the communications range directly to another comparable handheld unit is typically in the range of 1/2 mile to 1 mile. In rolling or heavily forested terrain, the range can be less. If the two units are on distant mountain tops with a clear "line of sight" contact, this range could be much further.
> For Base-to-Mobile Communications
A 10-watt base station with an antenna atop a two-story building may have a 5- to 10-mile communications range with a 4-watt mobile unit. This range could be somewhat more in flat terrain or if the building is on a hill.
UHF "line of sight" communications will go further in a flat countryside than in a rolling one. Signals can also bounce off of tall building surfaces. This can actually increase range in some urban or mountainous environments.
Increasing the transmitter power at both the base station and the mobile unit can increase the communications range slightly. However, the primary way to increase operating range is to increase the base station antenna height.
> For Repeater-Assisted Communications
A typical low-power handheld radio might be able to communicate with a base station on top of a mountain or a tall building 15 miles to even 30 or more miles distant.
A repeater station is really just a special kind of base station which employs a very tall antenna. The repeater usually receives on a 467 MHz GMRS frequency. When it receives a signal (usually accompanied by a special code which this repeater listens for especially), the repeater then automatically (i.e., without further operator action or control) retransmits that same signal on the comparable 462 MHz frequency.
Another kind of repeater, only recently introduced to GMRS, receives a signal on a 462 MHz frequency, and retransmits that same signal after a slight time delay on that same frequency. This kind of repeater can be much less expensive to purchase and operate, since it doesn't require a "duplexer" or a second antenna for receiving purposes. However, like a conventional repeater, this "store-and-forward"-type repeater still requires a control method to shut it down, if it is operated from a remote location.
The advantage of the repeater is in its capability to receive a signal from a distant transmitter, and to retransmit a signal which can be heard by a distant receiver, because of the station's greater antenna height.
If a repeater with a tall antenna can hear a mobile signal 20 miles away (a typical distance for a well-sited repeater), then it can usually transmit to another mobile unit anywhere within that same 20-mile radius. The two mobile units themselves do not need to be near each other. They could be at opposite sides of the 20-mile radius of coverage of the repeater, or 40 miles apart from each other, and still be able to communicate through the repeater.
There are some practical upper limits on range. For example, a repeater whose antenna is mounted on a 100-foot tower in mostly flat terrain might cover a 15-mile radius. An additional 5 to 10 miles of coverage might be gained by each doubling of antenna height.
Using this example (and with the same typical terrain), mounting the antenna on a 200-foot tower might provide a 25-mile radius of coverage. But to achieve a 35-mile radius, you would need a 400-foot tower. For a 45-mile radius of coverage, you would need an 800-foot tower. From this example, you can see that extending the range beyond 25 or 30 miles can come only from having access to a very tall antenna or (more likely) to a mountain top.
Although there is the obvious advantage of additional communications range in communicating through a repeater station, there are also disadvantages. When one repeater is transmitting, it can block out or interfere with all other communications on that same frequency within that same area. Since there are only eight frequency pairs available for repeater communications, GMRS users must cooperate in sharing the use of these frequencies.
One method of cooperating is to use the repeater only when it is necessary to employ its extended range. When the corresponding units are close enough to each other so that the repeater is not needed, then the units should communicate with each other directly, not through the repeater.
Repeater users should also keep their communications as short as possible (namely, only necessary and urgent communications).
Furthermore, because signals retransmitted through a repeater travel much further, they are less private. Privacy is another advantage of shorter range "direct" communications.


As you will be using these radio in a situation where you might run into scrutiny by law enforcement it is a good idea to make sure you run your radio system "legal" that will also mean getting proper licensing for what ever you do end up using, or else you could face problems later on.
It may involve a substantial investment to provide reliable Communications.


73
Jeff
 

Druid

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Thanks for all the information so far. As for money, we are on a shoe string until we can get funding. We are getting set up but it will take awhile.

I will say sadly, we have run out of time at Portagelakes State Park! I found out today that they will start setting up for drilling this Sat.

If any one interested look up Frack Drilling.
 

mackmobile43

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Hi everyone, I came to this site to get information on communications gear to support small unit tactics. I'm looking to get info on HT for each member, mobile and fixed base stations and scanners.

We will be operating in NE Ohio, at least in the short term running surveillance on drilling operations when they commence in local state parks.

We are a grass roots organization trying to stop the drilling. Right now any expense is going to be out of pocket.

We are so far a group made up of disabled combat vets.(Nam through the latest Sandbox wars). We have 2 squids, 1 jar-head, a couple of ground pounders and an airedale, plus a couple of civvies with woodsman skills. But so far no one with any civilian comm. skills!

We are also setting up a not for profit organization and getting a web site set up. So any help would be greatly appreciated!
One would think if you were to make your presence known that those frac companies would be on their p's and q's to avoid contact and or litigation with a bunch of vigil antis looking to block exploration for fossil fuels that you and I need so badly at substanually discounted prices?

If you're looking for a secure frequency you will not find it in the 11 meter band or any other band for that fact unless you use cell services but if you go to you local two way radio service store you can purchase something in the 450 to 800 mhz range which which will have a 50 mile range with the use of a repeater but will be very reliable but you will need the OK from your big brother (FCC) for said frequency use.

And keep in mind there are many ears out there and any ( LEGAL) frequency you choose can be monitored by most scanners purchased at your local Radio Shack so your cheapest route would be the GMRS frequencies and radios using that frequency can be picked up at your local WalMart and of Radio Shack.

Remember this your deepest fears will meet you half way.
 

CroMagnum

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If any one interested look up Frack Drilling.


What's wrong with fracking? Personally I always wanted to have tap water that bursts into flames. :D

Gasland



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Druid

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One would think if you were to make your presence known that those frac companies would be on their p's and q's to avoid contact and or litigation with a bunch of vigil antis looking to block exploration for fossil fuels that you and I need so badly at substanually discounted prices?

If you're looking for a secure frequency you will not find it in the 11 meter band or any other band for that fact unless you use cell services but if you go to you local two way radio service store you can purchase something in the 450 to 800 mhz range which which will have a 50 mile range with the use of a repeater but will be very reliable but you will need the OK from your big brother (FCC) for said frequency use.

And keep in mind there are many ears out there and any ( LEGAL) frequency you choose can be monitored by most scanners purchased at your local Radio Shack so your cheapest route would be the GMRS frequencies and radios using that frequency can be picked up at your local WalMart and of Radio Shack.

Remember this your deepest fears will meet you half way.

We are doing everthing (LEGAL) and above board, just like all good Sheeple...er oops...Americans should do! :D
 

mackmobile43

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We are doing everthing (LEGAL) and above board, just like all good Sheeple...er oops...Americans should do! :D

They have proprietary trade secrets they don't want every jack wagon impeding
on and they do handle a lot of explosive materials to they do not want every fucking crack pot do gooder self help group getting anywhere near them so you're gonna find it hard to get close enough to see anything let alone hear anything unless you use hyperbolic listening devices and as you've already stated you don't have a pot to piss in let alone a window to throw it out of so you're nest bet is to find another crack pot with plenty O monies to help you in your endeavor but you have a few good answers to your communications query so you should have enough information to get your ass handed to you when those fracker's lawyers find out you're stalking their clients.:pop:
 
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how do we know if you're not a member of Al-Qaeda attempting to use the brilliant minds of this forum to enable a plan to harm the people of this great country ?
 

Druid

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how do we know if you're not a member of Al-Qaeda attempting to use the brilliant minds of this forum to enable a plan to harm the people of this great country ?

How do you know anyone on any forum is who they say they are! As for stalking and explosives, the drilling is being done in a state park so we have full public access. Fracking is done through Hydrualics no explosives used.
 

Mudfoot

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They have proprietary trade secrets they don't want every jack wagon impeding
on and they do handle a lot of explosive materials to they do not want every fucking crack pot do gooder self help group getting anywhere near them so you're gonna find it hard to get close enough to see anything let alone hear anything unless you use hyperbolic listening devices and as you've already stated you don't have a pot to piss in let alone a window to throw it out of so you're nest bet is to find another crack pot with plenty O monies to help you in your endeavor but you have a few good answers to your communications query so you should have enough information to get your ass handed to you when those fracker's lawyers find out you're stalking their clients.:pop:

Amen

Sent from my phone.
 

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