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Socialism: An ever increasing reality and threat

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Without getting into a big discussion about this I still say the big problem with affordable health care in the USA is that it is operated as a for profit business. Anytime the government gets involved in paying the private sector for something the price goes through the roof. Remember the $600 manually operated impact drivers the army bought? In civilian life they are known as hammers. Up here I pay about $100 a month to a private health plan (Blue Cross) for prescription drugs with a very low co-pay ($10 or less) and I get $250 back on eyeglasses and dental work is covered including orthodontics up to the first $5000 per person in my family of four. Any doctor visits are free as is any and all hospital procedures or in-home care after being discharged from hospital or those requiring IV at home etc. Sure we pay for it in taxes but from what I am hearing we pay about the same percentage of income as taxes as you guys do. Since our doctors, nurses,etc are paid directly by the provinces and this is charged back to the federal government there is no profit to be made in health care and we can keep the price of Tylenol down considerably below the $10 apiece I know some hospitals have been charging in the USA.

FWIW yes, my wife is a registered nurse here and is in touch with several others she worked with that headed south to the USA in search of greener pastures ie. higher wages. They barely make any more than she does at best and sometimes make less but those extra profits go to the owners of the hospitals.
 
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I pay 105 euro a month for full size healthcare here all included.
Just like anyone else here, i don't see bills except a total of 350 euro max a year.
Whatever care or transport i need, second opinion, hospital stay operations, that is it, all covered by the 105 euro a month we all pay in, and the system pays for itself.
Next year premium actually going down now, looks like 97 euro is the new premium here.
We insure with private insurers, not the Government.
Seems it does work here, maybe your private insurers like their profit a bit too much?
 
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m42duster said:
That may be, but why do you insist upon using these threads as a platform...er, alter, to consistently preach?
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Okay,I won't then but it's the way I see and know things that are taking place. And yes,I tend to preach. I am patriotic about my country and I won't sit back and let those that hate it take it away from me. I'm a clarion so to speak.
 

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Captain Kilowatt said:
Religion has absolutely NOTHING to do with healthcare. BTW I do not scoff at religion nor do I have a profound faith in it either. It is what it is and if it works for someone then it works for them and that is great. Everyone is different and has different ideals, beliefs and faiths and it is up to them to believe what they want to and nobody else's business to convince them of anything otherwise.
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Ummm . . . not entirely true. The ACA has in its lengthy provisions for birth control for which those with Christian ethics would end up subsidizing. It is a contentious point, since it is a part of this package for which many Christians don't abide with. It forces us to subsidize that which is both morally unethical and against God's word in principle, a point which is lost on many people. For this reason alone, many of them will choose refusal to pay into that system and end up paying the yearly penalty fee, as a form of open defiance/protest.

Justme:
There are so many parts to the ACA bill that not even those that oppose or agree with its passage fully understand. To have Congress pass this bill in such a manner as this honestly flies in the face of reason, logic, and common sense. In a true sense, they passed it nearly blind. Used car salesmen show more honesty and concern dealing with the public than those who represented and endorsed this bill.

One point that hasn't been discussed enough is that there has not been enough bipartisan support for the ACA. In fact, none. It was unilaterally passed, which is unprecedented in US history. That will ultimately lead to its failure and retirement of the bill so that it can be re-written to get support from both sides of the aisle. A huge fight - even though it has already passed - is still imminent.

I deal with shill posters on syndicated internet newspaper columns that spout pompous pseudo-liberal ideology all of the time. Who go out of their way to harass and defame the people of the US as a sport as they try to pass themselves off as Americans. Exposing them has been particularly fun to do. You are really no different by suggesting that Americans need to fall asleep at the wheel and float downstream on this subject.

The shills of Iran are easier to spot than the Russians, as their command of English is usually much better than the Iranians on these blogs. Leftovers from the defunct and bitter Soviet Union that have a vengeful axe to grind with the US. They are artful ideologues, and it is their ideology that is the real clue. Which is ultimately hypocritical, since the demise of that communist regime was a diet of bureaucracy and the ideologues that supported it. Socialism was a fool's errand, and there was never a shortage of fools rushing in.

The Soviet Union isn't really dead, it just smells that way.
 
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I'm not an USA citizen, just have lots of family living there.
All of which caan be easy spotted looking me up or here or by my callsign.

Fact is the ACA is 99% the same as thought up by the republicans, and as Romneycare.

I live in a country where we see ourselves as democracy based on our rights and laws, the economy is based on private property and capitalism, we even invented it ....as we did the share market globalisation and being the world dominating power in our Golden century even as only country beating the UK.
Nothing to do with socialism or communism.

We do have a working healthcare system since 1940's where everyone is insured and pays a pre\mium to private insurers.
Everyone over 18 years pays in his low premium and is insured.
Whatever healthcare is needed that's it, period.

Same goes for most European countries though all 520 million people here.
Lots of people in the USA are without healthcare and use the E.R. as replacement for which the rest will have to pay.

You can't tell me the USA cannot come up with a similar system as we have adapted to the USA needs.

Anyway it is for the USA people to decide which way to go and how.
I'm just looking in from the sidelines but interested in seeing what happens there.

Lets hope you get decent affordable healthcare that won't soup up your savings house and the rest, won't happen here.
 
Robb said:
Ummm . . . not entirely true. The ACA has in its lengthy provisions for birth control for which those with Christian ethics would end up subsidizing. It is a contentious point, since it is a part of this package for which many Christians don't abide with. It forces us to subsidize that which is both morally unethical and against God's word in principle, a point which is lost on many people. For this reason alone, many of them will choose refusal to pay into that system and end up paying the yearly penalty fee, as a form of open defiance/protest.

Justme:
There are so many parts to the ACA bill that not even those that oppose or agree with its passage fully understand. To have Congress pass this bill in such a manner as this honestly flies in the face of reason, logic, and common sense. In a true sense, they passed it nearly blind. Used car salesmen show more honesty and concern dealing with the public than those who represented and endorsed this bill.

One point that hasn't been discussed enough is that there has not been enough bipartisan support for the ACA. In fact, none. It was unilaterally passed, which is unprecedented in US history. That will ultimately lead to its failure and retirement of the bill so that it can be re-written to get support from both sides of the aisle. A huge fight - even though it has already passed - is still imminent.

I deal with shill posters on syndicated internet newspaper columns that spout pompous pseudo-liberal ideology all of the time. Who go out of their way to harass and defame the people of the US as a sport as they try to pass themselves off as Americans. Exposing them has been particularly fun to do. You are really no different by suggesting that Americans need to fall asleep at the wheel and float downstream on this subject.

The shills of Iran are easier to spot than the Russians, as their command of English is usually much better than the Iranians on these blogs. Leftovers from the defunct and bitter Soviet Union that have a vengeful axe to grind with the US. They are artful ideologues, and it is their ideology that is the real clue. Which is ultimately hypocritical, since the demise of that communist regime was a diet of bureaucracy and the ideologues that supported it. Socialism was a fool's errand, and there was never a shortage of fools rushing in.

The Soviet Union isn't really dead, it just smells that way.
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I was posting in reference to the statements by Lil yeshua. Forgive me but refresh me on what ACA is. As for religion and healthcare/birth control don't get Christans confused with Catholics. Not all Christans are Catholics nor do they follow their ideals.
 
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