911

[74IN]

Sound familiar?

YouTube - Operation Northwoods

Well documented, the US government had admitted it.

 

[jazzsinger]

Politics is the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow, next week, next month and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Winston Churchill

There is no such thing as public opinion. There is only published opinion.
Winston Churchill


A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.
Winston Churchill

Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few.
Winston Churchill

A few quotes taken from Winston Churchill,

The first one gives insight into how the Bush Government were predicting an atrocity like 9/11 was immiment,after all they needed a new pearl harbour to justify their next moves,they certainly prepared well for it but like any lie,when people question it holes start appearing all over the place,Lies only work on people too dumb to question them.

The second is exactly what the media propaganda machine does,manufacture public opinion.

The third shows how lies propagate so fast (even faster than radio waves),everyone who retells the story adds their own bit of drama or sensationalises it till eventually the truth is completely LOST.

The fourth while supposedly said of the RAF during Britain's darkest hours could also equally apply too the billions of dollars the people of the USA,UK and other country's in Europe owe the American bankers that funded world war 2 and world war 1.In 2006 the UK government stated that the UK would pay the last of the debt (£45 million),owed for world war 2,it has taken 61 years to repay that debt,but no doubt we are still paying it in uk military personel lives in Iraq and Afghanistan,and no doubt many less well off nations in Europe are also still paying their debts too.War is the most profitable business on the planet,9/11 was the sowing of the seeds for the next round of profit making,which has already started in the contracts to rebuild Iraq and to ship the oil to the west.We and our children and their children will be paying for this for many years to come.

A true patriot stands in defence of his country when it is under attack,but when his country is the aggressor for no reason other than financial gain,the true patriot will stand against those who shame his country's name.When his country is under attack from within the true patriot starts or joins the revolution to depose those who would destroy his country for financial gain.

"THE FIRST CASUALTY OF WAR IS TRUTH"

 

[W5LZ]

Winston Churchill wasn't speaking of any one particular government with those quotes, but about ALL governments, including his own.
Politics is the 'science', or art, of manipulation to achieve a particular purpose. A system of making the 'best' of bad choices to achieve a goal. Those 'best' of bad choices often have very bad consequences, but those consequences have to be weighted in terms of the end goal. And while those consequences can be really bad/nasty, they are still better than the results of not doing them. Winston Churchill's government during WW II is a very good example of that. If he were still around to be asked, Mr Churchill would agree, I think.
There have been, and are, NO governments that do not have things they pray will never come to light. That includes our present one.
- 'Doc

 

[jazzsinger]

Winston Churchill wasn't speaking of any one particular government with those quotes, but about ALL governments, including his own.
Politics is the 'science', or art, of manipulation to achieve a particular purpose. A system of making the 'best' of bad choices to achieve a goal. Those 'best' of bad choices often have very bad consequences, but those consequences have to be weighted in terms of the end goal. And while those consequences can be really bad/nasty, they are still better than the results of not doing them. Winston Churchill's government during WW II is a very good example of that. If he were still around to be asked, Mr Churchill would agree, I think.
There have been, and are, NO governments that do not have things they pray will never come to light. That includes our present one.
- 'Doc

Politics is the art of deception/manipulation to achieve power,financial gain,hidden agenda's and to suppress other people's opinion. I never said Winston Churchill was speaking of any particular government,merely pointing out wisdom from a man who has held power and abused it for personal gain like everyone else who has held power,no-one does it for the love of their country. An honest government shouldn't have secrets from its people,therefore all governments are corrupt and the world would be a better place without them. But then as Churchill himself said,"The victors write history",whether it be true or a figment of their imagination.What he omited to say was they also escape punishment for the war crimes they commit on the road to victory.

 

[W5LZ]

Contrary to popular belief, governments do have a legitimate need for -some- secrecy. The citizens of a country/government do NOT have an absolute 'need to know' about ALL aspects of government. The key word in that is 'legitimate'. And it goes without saying that there are 'illegitimate' secrets kept that shouldn't be. Who decides what's legitimate/illegitimate? The general public definitely is not that particular 'who'. There is definitely such a thing as too much open knowledge. It's up to the citizens to determine who decides things by who they elect. If it is determined that someone is not qualified for the position of responsibility that they have, there is more than one remedy for that. It's sort of 'tricky', isn't it? It's also going to be around for as long as the human race isn't perfect. Which basically means for ever. If 'we' can't deal with that, then 'we' have problems with reality.
- 'Doc

 

[pro151]

Well somebody has to vote for these people for them to get in a position of power to be able to make all of these secret decisions.
Boy am I glad I have never voted for any of the lying, cheating, stealing secretive sob's!

 

[freecell]

"Contrary to popular belief, governments do have a legitimate need for -some- secrecy."

the last real president of the 20th century would disagree with you.

here's what he had to say:

* The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control. And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know.

* It requires a change in outlook, a change in tactics, a change in missions--by the government, by the people, by every businessman or labor leader, and by every newspaper. For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.

* Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed. It conducts the Cold War, in short, with a war-time discipline no democracy would ever hope or wish to match.

* Nevertheless, every democracy recognizes the necessary restraints of national security--and the question remains whether those restraints need to be more strictly observed if we are to oppose this kind of attack as well as outright invasion.

* And so it is to the printing press--to the recorder of man's deeds, the keeper of his conscience, the courier of his news--that we look for strength and assistance, confident that with your help man will be what he was born to be: free and independent.

President John Fitzgerald Kennedy. Address before the American Newspaper Publishers Association (27 April 1961)

 

[jazzsinger]

"Contrary to popular belief, governments do have a legitimate need for -some- secrecy."

the last real president of the 20th century would disagree with you.

here's what he had to say:

* The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control. And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know.

* It requires a change in outlook, a change in tactics, a change in missions--by the government, by the people, by every businessman or labor leader, and by every newspaper. For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.

* Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed. It conducts the Cold War, in short, with a war-time discipline no democracy would ever hope or wish to match.

* Nevertheless, every democracy recognizes the necessary restraints of national security--and the question remains whether those restraints need to be more strictly observed if we are to oppose this kind of attack as well as outright invasion.

* And so it is to the printing press--to the recorder of man's deeds, the keeper of his conscience, the courier of his news--that we look for strength and assistance, confident that with your help man will be what he was born to be: free and independent.

President John Fitzgerald Kennedy. Address before the American Newspaper Publishers Association (27 April 1961)

No doubt the main reason why THEY murdered him.None of these people who do shady deals in the background of governments have any morals whatsoever and will think nothing of murdering anyone who stands in their way,even the most powerful man on the planet and president of the biggest so called democracy on earth.To them murder be it singular or mass as witnessed on 911 is just a statistic on the way to accumulating wealth they can never spend but are so greedy/mentally ill they just can't bear to see other people share it.

Democracy is but a "DREAM" in a capitalist state.Freedom nothing more than an "ILLUSION" and Equality a complete f@cking "JOKE".

 

[mackmobile43]

No doubt the main reason why THEY murdered him.None of these people who do shady deals in the background of governments have any morals whatsoever and will think nothing of murdering anyone who stands in their way,even the most powerful man on the planet and president of the biggest so called democracy on earth.To them murder be it singular or mass as witnessed on 911 is just a statistic on the way to accumulating wealth they can never spend but are so greedy/mentally ill they just can't bear to see other people share it.

Democracy is but a "DREAM" in a capitalist state.Freedom nothing more than an "ILLUSION" and Equality a complete f@cking "JOKE".

Freedom is a reality for the only convicted person in the Lockerby bombing and how ironic that it was bound for John Fitzgerald Kennedy International airport.

In the scales of life justice should equal democracy and that is very unbalanced when it comes to this issue.