Microsoft 12 fubared

[AudioShockwav]

It looks like someone has dumped windows 12 information early......

It's YouTube, can't hardly tell anymore what's fake click bait or not but this sounds just like Microsoft.

Here you go



73
Jeff

 

[doffo]

I will not go passed Windows 10. I barely went to it in 2021.

After this? Going to some distribution of Linux. And even I dislike the way Linux is done with all its confusing files and scattered in a million folders.

I miss the Commodore Amiga days...

 

[Cable Guy]

It looks like someone has dumped windows 12 information early......

It's YouTube, can't hardly tell anymore what's fake click bait or not but this sounds just like Microsoft.

Here you go



73
Jeff

Personally, my own gear, Windows hasn't felt right since 98, and while I eventually grew to love XP, Vista burned my MS bridge and Linux distros filled in for my needs. It was going to happen regardless. A clumsy week or two learning to walk again was well worth the inconvenience.

 

[AudioShockwav]

I will not go passed Windows 10. I barely went to it in 2021.

After this? Going to some distribution of Linux. And even I dislike the way Linux is done with all its confusing files and scattered in a million folders.

I miss the Commodore Amiga days...

Ten was the last time for me......

73
Jeff

 

[brandon7861]

Seems like a good place to share this video.

 

[TM86]

While I don't know about the veracity of that YouTube channel it does seem that the ideas presented are in line with what MS is already doing to enshittify Win 11.

Still, if you plan on dumping Windows for Linux I will say be careful. It could turn into a career like it did for me.

 

[w9cll]

After almost forty years in IT, I will never use Windoze at home. I’ve dealt with their bloated, poorly coded mess for decades, and that’s more than enough for one lifetime. My main laptop runs Linux, and I keep a couple of Macs around for my photography business. I’d happily use Linux for that too, but Linux still doesn’t understand what color management actually means—and at this point, it’s clear it never will.

I do keep a Windows 10 VM on my laptop, but only for one purpose: programming radios. Everything else, including CHIRP, runs natively on Linux outside the VM.

 

[FlyBoy50]

I still use windows 10 but at almost 76 YO I guess I'll have to learn Linux like I've been thinking for some time. It's either that or throw the computers out the door and go back to the old way of the Dark Ages.

 

[Smokinone]

Ten was the last time for me......

73
Jeff

I just went to WIN 10 (last month), after using WIN 7 for a while. I don't like being forced to have to buy a new motherboard just to change OS.
I just recently bought the Z270-A PRO MSI MB I have, well a couple of years now.
I like to use Streets and Trips still, and 10 seems to work with it.
But then again, I still run old radio as well...living in the past.

 

[19wrc333]

I just went to WIN 10 (last month), after using WIN 7 for a while. I don't like being forced to have to buy a new motherboard just to change OS.
I just recently bought the Z270-A PRO MSI MB I have, well a couple of years now.
I like to use Streets and Trips still, and 10 seems to work with it.
But then again, I still run old radio as well...living in the past.

You can run Windows 11 on most old hardware just fine. The problem is getting it installed. The normal installer requires that your computer is fitted with a TPM. A modern one at that. Older hardware doesn't have such a module.

There used to be some registry hacks to get passed that requirement, but Microsoft killed those hacks.
Fortunately though, you're not alone, it is possible to customize the installer using a tool called Rufus and remove this (and other) silly requirements.

 

[Smokinone]

You can run Windows 11 on most old hardware just fine. The problem is getting it installed. The normal installer requires that your computer is fitted with a TPM. A modern one at that. Older hardware doesn't have such a module.

There used to be some registry hacks to get passed that requirement, but Microsoft killed those hacks.
Fortunately though, you're not alone, it is possible to customize the installer using a tool called Rufus and remove this (and other) silly requirements.

My MB has the option for the TPM 2.0, but, that alone, from what I understand, will still not let you install WIN11. It also has to have a MB supported processor that supports whatever MS put into the WIN11 security requirement. I contacted MSI to check if there was a way to install WIN11 as I do have a copy, their tech guy said I would need an upgraded MB for the correct processor. Of course they want to sell MB's as well.
I'm not a computer wiz, but that's my understanding from scouring the web. Not looking for any argument, just putting out what I ran into when scoping it out.
I think I also looked at what you're pointing out, but doesn't that take out all the security protections that WIN 11 has to offer by going that route? Not that WIN 10 has it, and will loose protections once the grace period runs out, but some of that can be supplemented with 3rd party anti-virus and malware. ASUS routers have some included securities built in as well as VPN support...which I use.
I most likely would have stayed with WIN 7 if hardware and software was still being supported, but it all dropped off for the most part.
Thanks

 

[19wrc333]

My MB has the option for the TPM 2.0, but, that alone, from what I understand, will still not let you install WIN11. It also has to have a MB supported processor that supports whatever MS put into the WIN11 security requirement. I contacted MSI to check if there was a way to install WIN11 as I do have a copy, their tech guy said I would need an upgraded MB for the correct processor. Of course they want to sell MB's as well.
I'm not a computer wiz, but that's my understanding from scouring the web. Not looking for any argument, just putting out what I ran into when scoping it out.
I think I also looked at what you're pointing out, but doesn't that take out all the security protections that WIN 11 has to offer by going that route? Not that WIN 10 has it, and will loose protections once the grace period runs out, but some of that can be supplemented with 3rd party anti-virus and malware. ASUS routers have some included securities built in as well as VPN support...which I use.
I most likely would have stayed with WIN 7 if hardware and software was still being supported, but it all dropped off for the most part.
Thanks

Some MB's indeed have an option for the TPM 2.0, but getting that module is another issue. Usually they are not for sale and even when they are, they tend to be expensive.
As you say, security wise it brings Windows 11 closer to Windows 10, but Windows 11 still has additional security protections that Windows 10 didn't have.

The main reason I brought Rufus up is so you can get extra mileage out of existing hardware while still having a Windows operating system that Microsoft provides security updates for. I'm aware of the extra year grace that MS provided now, but that will also run out. AFAICT most CPU's are actually fine. If the hardware can run a 64 bit Windows 10 now then it should be able to run Windows 11 via Rufus.

As an IT professional myself, I have used Rufus myself for upgrading Windows 10 virtual machines where I do not want to add a TPM and encrypt the VM disk as it removes the option to easily move those VM's over to older hardware hosts. (oops technobabble, just read it as "yes, I used Rufus with success").

Also there's nothing wrong with Linux, been using it since 1998, but it's not for everyone. I'm leaving the OS bashing to others (IMO all Operating Systems have their own ups and downs). In the end it is about getting the computer to work for you.

 

[enine]

I will not go passed Windows 10. I barely went to it in 2021.

After this? Going to some distribution of Linux. And even I dislike the way Linux is done with all its confusing files and scattered in a million folders.

I miss the Commodore Amiga days...

I find Linux to be the most Amiga like os

 

[enine]

Some say XP was decent after several service packs but early XP was a dud. I had ran windows 2000 since the texhnet beta and it was fast and stable. Then bought a new laptop with XP and it was nothing but problems. Switched over to Linux and never went back