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New thread to debate V-4000

Discussion in 'CB Antennas' started by nosepc, Nov 12, 2013.

  1. nosepc

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    The cone can not radiate in phase with the rest of the antenna, their currents are inverted and hence canceled.

    The Vector 4000 can not display absolutely free space gain over a dipole.*

    The SIRIUS VECTOR 4000 is a fed dipole at one end as a Zeppellin or J-pole antenna.

    For that reason they can not show a pattern of gain in a model.

    If you have a model, so I do it public as public do I design models.

    I've published several, you publish any we serve the amateur?



    As proof that it affirms? with words of cars salesman?
     
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  2. AudioShockwav

    AudioShockwav Extraterrestrial Admin
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    73
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  3. nosepc

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    is a coaxial device, is what I say.

    is a device for operating a radiant, not a radiating

    gain is not obtained with the same.

    the drawing is wrong, because it shows both contrary currents.

    If the current time is positive, while it can not be negative.

    explain it.

    the drawing is wrong, it is a drawing, and I can draw things more beautiful.

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  4. bob85

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    "because it shows both contrary currents"

    what does that mean in english? are you saying coax can't radiate due to common mode on the outside of the braid?
     
  5. Shockwave

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    It's very apparent he is overlooking the fact that conductors can and do carry more than one current. He's seen the CST model that shows a difference in color between the inside and outside of the cone. He knows there is a chart at the top right of the model that shows exactly what that color means in both phase and magnitude. All this has done is cause him to go into denial and aggressively propagate the old J-pole myth about the antenna in several threads.

    Every year or so we get someone in here that thinks they know how this antenna works and helps everyone out by telling them it's just a J-pole. The myth is even more prevalent outside of the USA. I found one forum in Greece where a member found his fathers old notes saying it was just a 1/2 wave J-pole and had changed the entire forums view on the antenna to believe his mistaken ideas.

    Thankfully that can never happen here. This forum has access to the latest computer models. This forum has members with extensive experience working with the antenna. This forum has members who have conducted field tests with collinear phasing sections to identify the phase angle of the radiation coming from the stock antenna as 270 degrees or 3/4 wavelength.

    We still will have some diehards who refuse to see the cones in phase color in the CST model and others who can't see the magnitude is significant enough to be responsible for the 2 dbd gain figures in the .75 wave version, even when the model currents on the cone are broken down into easy to view quarters on 4 radials whose sum of total current are comparable to the main vertical.
     
  6. nosepc

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    from when a coaxial is radiant??

    was invented to not radiate

    :bdh:


    Cebik publish this?????????????

    :eek::w00t:

    seems I'm the only one awake?? Nobody saw this before?

    <gotproof>

    [​IMG]

    :headbang:headbang:headbang:headbang:headbang:headbang
     
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  7. nosepc

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    CEBIK PUBLIC THIS??


    http://www.cebik.com/content/a10/vhf/jp3.html


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    the drawings are absolutely WRONG, one phase "missing" .


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    (y)

    When you start to accept for valid, erroneous data, no wonder then assigned properties and nonexistent fantastic real objects.

    nosepc
     
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  8. bob85

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    anybody that understands anything about coaxial cable knows it can radiate,
    it is more difficult to stop coax radiating than it is to cause it to radiate,

    coax is a 3 wire conductor,
    the center conductor
    the inner surface of the braid,
    the outside surface of the braid


    Coaxial feedlines, currents in feedlines and shielded wires <gotproof>

    A Common-Mode Current Picture Show <gotproof>

    NOTHING that you have posted since you joined the forum is how you believe it works, EVERY post you make is a FANTASY,

    you need to stop arguing and start learning, this is getting beyond silly.
     
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  9. nosepc

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    In 1st place, the VECTOR 4000 is a mass power,as a J-pole!!!

    not isolated.

    when it seems that the Vector 4000??*

    NOTHING!



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    Second Cebik drawing shows that the coax cable is at the same potential, there can be two opposing currents in the same driver, would be canceled.

    Cebik The other drawings are poorly made, do not show the two currents, one is lost.

    I see your only argument is to discredit me, but can not refute my assertions.

    Just copy and paste things from other, many erroneous without being an engineer and just using common sense that even a fool can see.
     
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  10. AudioShockwav

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    No No No NO.

    We are trying to get you to see what you do not see.
    Many here have built and used this antenna.
    Many here are very educated and experienced in antennas, unless you spend time here to read you will never know this .
    You read a few pages but not the whole thing.


    Please open your mind, or all this is useless.

    We are trying to help you to see something new, you refuse to learn.
    There is no one more foolish as those who refuse to learn new things.


    73
    Jeff
     
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  11. W5LZ

    W5LZ Crotchety Old Bastard

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    I think 'nosepc's biggest problem is language. There are subtle differences in any two languages that can change the meaning or the expression of an idea. That being said, I also think that he is 'bouncing ideas' around to see what other people think, which everyone does to some extent.
    From there, it gets complicated. How currents are displayed is one of those complications. In the above pictures, those currents are 'simplified' to a huge extent for clarity. They aren't just on 'one side' of the conductor, they are on 'both sides'. (That's an over-simplification but it does give an idea of what/where a problem may be.) How those 'opposing' currents react, or displaying how they react makes for a very interesting 'simple' picture, which means that you either have a large number of pictures for one simple idea, or you have to take for granted that people understand what you are trying to show. Good luck with that! Or, RTFM...
    - 'Doc

    And for 'nosepc', RTFM means Read The "Furnished" Manual. "Furnished" isn't exactly what that 'F' means, but it's the polite way of saying it. ;)
     
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    Surly Cebic looks down on this and smiles, while shaking his head and understanding the frustration of those who refuse to learn.
    Indeed a wise Man.

    RIP.

    nosepc, there is no bad feelings here toward you, only the frustration that the minds can not come together and meet in the middle.



    73
    Jeff
     
  13. nosepc

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    ???????????

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    :D

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  14. nosepc

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    CEBIK id dead?? R.I.P.

    I'm wasting my time on people who do not want to learn.


    :unsure:
     
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  15. Shockwave

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    Actually you have proven that you can act like a disrespectful ass. You said you came here to learn but you've ignored ever opportunity you've been given. Just the thought that your ideas are more relevant than Cebik's or you think you have spotted errors in his work is almost funny.

    You've been given enough time to post here that everyone who understands the theory behind this antennas operation knows your description of how it does not work is purely fantasy. The more you stick with this line of thinking the more you deprive yourself of learning the facts.

    I also think there should come a time when this type of nonsense has reached the point where it's counterproductive and stopped. When someone continuously posts inaccurate information and refuses to learn, their posts often contain enough misinformation to confuse those who are truly attempting to learn.

    Your denial has placed yourself in a position where we cannot help you and you have become a distraction to the learning process of others. Now wave the magic wand over your fingers to get them to stop typing out false info. Then wave it around your ears and brain to engage them.
     

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