Too cool,been in Vegas for 5 yrs. Hoa community. No antenna. So I sloped 17 ft(11m) of 12 gage and center fed with 6inch coil of 5 turns a foot under my pvc center connection.About 8ft3inches per side of wire , Have + side 14 ft. up at peak of house about 28 inches away from actual house , the - end pointing WEST and wire end is 28 inches off ground. 45° 50° maybe I don't know the exact angle. Floating free in space, I get skip from mostly Florida, tenn. Ga. Got Hawaii yesterday and Bahamas few days ago. But mainly make contacts in SOUTH EAST direction with my sloper setup like that. I can't really move the it left or right to much! Andy2 cb set at 1.75 watts only. and kl 203p amp. Best part is I still get over half my town coverage for ground use...about 15 miles from my base to mobiles and 30 miles to other Bases. Pretty cool stuff.PENFIELD.