It's hard to beat city hall. But that doesn't mean city hall is right. Most people arrested, are never charged. Arrest to conviction rates are very low nationwide. All this means is that when the government accuses you of a crime, the chances are you will never be charged. Govenmental accuations do not mean you are guilty. So don't take them too seriously.
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Retailers Breakin the Law?
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And that folks is why we come here...............Read the "last" post on page three..........No chest pounding, no brow beating......The "sweet honest" truth.... 
We have two decisive "comment's" posted at work....."If you Think there is a problem,Help fix it by being part of the solution".. 8) ..
"Do not ask a question if you are not prepared to deal with the answer"....
Those of us that have been here from the "infancy" of this "forum" know of "contraversy" ,,and WHO stepped in to save a "sinking ship" ......
And with this being the "Holiday Season" we have much to be thankful for ,For without this "LOVE" of the "Hobby".......Would we even be debating on the subject of FCC activity :?: ,Basking in the "knowledge" so freely given :idea: or even realizing you are talking to folks from all over this great WORLD :shock: 8) 8) ..even Texas
Snoope back hiding in the snow (1-2" an hour right now) Ho-Ho-Ho
Merry Christmas to all And I'm proud to still be "Invited" to "Moles House"...........
We have two decisive "comment's" posted at work....."If you Think there is a problem,Help fix it by being part of the solution"..
8) .."Do not ask a question if you are not prepared to deal with the answer"....
Those of us that have been here from the "infancy" of this "forum" know of "contraversy" ,,and WHO stepped in to save a "sinking ship"
......And with this being the "Holiday Season" we have much to be thankful for
,For without this "LOVE" of the "Hobby".......Would we even be debating on the subject of FCC activity :?: ,Basking in the "knowledge" so freely given :idea: or even realizing you are talking to folks from all over this great WORLD :shock: 8) 8) ..even Texas Snoope back hiding in the snow (1-2" an hour right now) Ho-Ho-Ho
Merry Christmas to all
And I'm proud to still be "Invited" to "Moles House"...........
The USA is NOT a "democracy". It is a republic that seeks to fairly administer the law in a way that protects the interests of the minority while acknowledging the will of the people IN the majority. A pure democracy= mob rule without consideration for all points of view. The abolishment of regulations on the use of radio IS mob rule which does nothing not only to protect the will of the majority, but damages the "majority" itself!
CWM
CWM
But I said:
I understand very clearly what type of government and economy structures this country. Actually, we are sort of a blend of democracy and republic. We elect government officials and give them certain authority to make law. However, the people also have the direct ability to create legislation by voting (remember state & local propositions?)
That is true, but it does not change that fact even in a republic, if the majority disagrees with the policy that the elected government officials have put in place, they can vote them out and also vote to have those rules overturned, if they organize themselves. However, the disussion of democracy and republicanism is meaningless in this country without also considering the economic landscape. In the U.S., people have the power to "vote" with their dollar. Even idealistic Marxism was a form of democracy. However, because of the socialistic economy placed on it (as implemented in the Soviet Union), great freedom and power is lost by the individual. It is because of the ability for individuals to express their opinions with their money that even when a law is passed forbidding a product or service, our elected officials often are forced to consider the majority's will.[/quote]
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And I have no quarrel with that!
But back to the specific subject of radio, the abolishment of certain controls would result in something that the majority wouldn't LIKE if after they got it! :shock: If the mere influence of money is the sole driving force in the illegal sale (i.e, demand) and rules that are actually FOR the good of ALL radio users cannot be enforced, then we are in trouble that we don't even yet understand. When it comes down to the effects of radio and importance of it to society, CB radio certainly is not the most important radio "service" we have. Neither is Amateur, tho higher up in the relative importance of service to the community. But the actual effects/damage of unbridled, uncontrolled radio simply for the sake of talking is immeasurable.
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CWM
And I have no quarrel with that!
But back to the specific subject of radio, the abolishment of certain controls would result in something that the majority wouldn't LIKE if after they got it! :shock: If the mere influence of money is the sole driving force in the illegal sale (i.e, demand) and rules that are actually FOR the good of ALL radio users cannot be enforced, then we are in trouble that we don't even yet understand. When it comes down to the effects of radio and importance of it to society, CB radio certainly is not the most important radio "service" we have. Neither is Amateur, tho higher up in the relative importance of service to the community. But the actual effects/damage of unbridled, uncontrolled radio simply for the sake of talking is immeasurable.
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CWM
CWM wrote
CB radio certainly is not the most important radio "service" we have. Neither is Amateur, tho higher up in the relative importance of service to the community.
This is your opinion, and you know what they say about opinions don't you???????
Kinda like me saying my Dodge is more important than your Ford, when in truth 10 years down the road they both will be rust buckets in a junkyard somewhere!!!
CB radio certainly is not the most important radio "service" we have. Neither is Amateur, tho higher up in the relative importance of service to the community.
This is your opinion, and you know what they say about opinions don't you???????
Kinda like me saying my Dodge is more important than your Ford, when in truth 10 years down the road they both will be rust buckets in a junkyard somewhere!!!
CW, I think you may be correct in the area of importance when it comes to research. But the CB has been used in grass root daily life situations that you may never hear about. I have read many times of Hams that could not reach a repeater while on the road and such but you can usually reach someone on a CB for immediate help. Ham may be known for its use in times of disaster but I'll bet there are a lot of CB's in use at the same time. Again , not recognized.
Sonwatcher said:
Only reason why CB use isn't recognized by anyone in an emergency is due to there being no national voice to distribute this info. 600,000 hams listed in the FCC computer, half of whom are dead or inactive versus millions of cass with CBs in them and nobody knows what the CNers do. But some dude with a cut finger has a ham call for an ambulance on the repeater and it makes national news.
I'm sure CB was heavily used in the hurricane areas this year. I'm sure there were many people using mobiles passing info to base stations with emergency info, that even some police vehicles wiht CBs mounted in addition to the police radio using them. I'm sure there were lots of handhelds in use. Lots of rurral areas in those states. With lots of CB radios and hardly a ham around. Not covered in the news at all...
Not looking to throw gasoline on a fire, but I have been following this thread and had seen Amazon selling the Cobra 200 directly from Amazon for $204.00 and offering a $25 rebate.
Then when I checked Amazon again on Saturday, the radio was being sold for more ($232) stating it shipping directly from something called Dynadirect.
This morning, it is now $236 shipped from some place called Beach Audio.
It appears that there continues to be ways to circumvent the regulations, despite the notices and fines imposed by the FCC.
I am curious as to how these products are still readily available when they carry no FCC sticker, but some sellers are wacked, while others are not.
C.W., can't the FCC administer it's own regulations and rules in a fair & equitable manner?
What loopholes exist, that you know of, that permits the continued sale of these supposed illegal radios, yet they are widely available at any given CB radio online retailer.
Is it just that the FCC is willing to allow people to have their cake (export radios) and eat it to (use them on the CB band plus/minus a few freqs above and below) as long as they don't interfere with amateur radio and public safety comms?
Does anyone have a definitive answer to this?
And if I answered my own question above, then isn't CW's fight really with the FCC and not with the retailers offering the radios for sale?
Then when I checked Amazon again on Saturday, the radio was being sold for more ($232) stating it shipping directly from something called Dynadirect.
This morning, it is now $236 shipped from some place called Beach Audio.
It appears that there continues to be ways to circumvent the regulations, despite the notices and fines imposed by the FCC.
I am curious as to how these products are still readily available when they carry no FCC sticker, but some sellers are wacked, while others are not.
C.W., can't the FCC administer it's own regulations and rules in a fair & equitable manner?
What loopholes exist, that you know of, that permits the continued sale of these supposed illegal radios, yet they are widely available at any given CB radio online retailer.
Is it just that the FCC is willing to allow people to have their cake (export radios) and eat it to (use them on the CB band plus/minus a few freqs above and below) as long as they don't interfere with amateur radio and public safety comms?
Does anyone have a definitive answer to this?
And if I answered my own question above, then isn't CW's fight really with the FCC and not with the retailers offering the radios for sale?
Sonwatcher said:
I imagine that the huge lots of radios being imported are getting around inspections somehow. They may be mislabled, or there are fake bills of lading, or just disquised as something legal.
And it p*sses me off to no end that the deliberate importationan and sale of these thing is allowed to continue.
The importers and sellers all know dammed well that the things are illegal yet they sell them anyway. They know how few hams there are versus how many CBers there are and they know who is going to buy these things.
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