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Siltronix VFO, boosting the drive level.

Re: Siltronix VFO., boosting the output drive level (easy fix I just found.?!)

Although I've never had the "joy" of dealing with this particular VFO (the Siltronix model-90) I believe I found an incredibly EASY way to boost its output (some model-years that is) to SIX times its value.! :)

Last week, one of my customers dropped-off a pair of Browning Mark-3s, along with a pair of Siltronix 90 VFOs (freq-range #3) for repair of the radios, along with installation / modification for use with the VFO-90s.

Since I've heard there to be some problems with those VFO units not having enough RF output, I decided to first check-out the 2 oscillators before "dealing" with the antique radios...

After first setting them both for correct "ball-park" frequencies, for use with a Mark-3 SSB transmitter, I then checked their peak RF output voltage.

Before even opening them., I measured one unit to have about 50 millivolts of output., whereas the other unit had almost 300 millivolts output.!

Needless to say., they were both disassembled and inspected to discern as to why there was such a GREAT (x6.!) difference in output levels between the two...

At first., I believed it might possibly be, just a weak / aged (hFE gain wise) low output / buffer transistor (Q1).

But after a quick inspection & comparison of the two oscillator boards, I noticed that the bias (voltage-divider) resistor for Q2 (which is R6) was the schematically correct 1k resistor in the unit that was generating the 300 millivolts., while that same resistor in the low output unit (only 50 millivolts) was only 270 ohms.!!

And by the way it was installed, it was positively "OEM stock" installed.!! As to why, I have no idea., except that I know, that some transistor type radio oscillators do NOT want too much input., as then either the receiver or transmitter (depending on what the VFO is being used for) can AND will begin to get "a bit squirrely" in their operation (ie: transmitter output power and / or receiver sensitivity, also depending upon the channel)...

See the attached photo from the original poster of this thread for proof.! There should also be a schematic of the VFO attached (please let me know if the 2 images are not there, as I'm not very "internet-forum savvy)

Starting at the left side of the circuit-board (top-side) it's the 3rd resistor to the right of the 200uh coil (L1), and as can be seen, its color code is red-violet-brown (270 ohm) when it should be brown-black-red (1k ohms).!

Obviously., the with a resistor of only 1/3 the original "stated" value will then actually "pull" more of the RF generated to ground, thus limiting the oscillator's output.!

IMHO., if a user wanted to make the oscillator's output variable (to "suit" multiple radios) one would just keep transistor Q1 at its full output (keeping the 1k Base resistor) and just simply putting a variable carbon-type potentiometer (or trim-pot) at the unit's output.! :)

Because of the small (in value) 0.001 output capacitor (C8), I believe a high-value of trim-pot would be required as to not "load-down" its high-impedance output., possibly a 100k to 500k trim-pot.??

Anyway., I truly hope the above information I was able to come across (but only because I was lucky enough to have two of the same VFOs., but of two differing manufacturing "runs".!) that I was able to easily diagnose and correct the problem :)

Regards & 73s,
Eric ( KY8E )
Klein Communications
( facebook.com/radioman55 )

https://www.worldwidedx.com/gallery/photos/siltronix-vfo-90-photo-of-wrong-r6.6710/

https://www.worldwidedx.com/gallery...90-schematic-r6-needs-to-be-1k-not-270n.6711/
 
I recognize the two electrolytic caps on that pc board. The ones we used between ten and fifteen years ago when rehabbing a Siltronix. Ran out of the fat 2200uf cap around that long ago. The smaller violet cap is a 470uf. Used up nearly the whole ammo box of those. Also looks as if C3 is different. The factory used a large one, the same physical size as C7 to its right. We change it from the stock 510pf to 390pf. The one we use is typically a smaller physical size than C7.

On the other hand, if we did update this specimen it was more than about 5 years ago. Pretty sure that's when we started removing the zener diode, and using a 78L08 regulator in its place. Definitely more stable.

As for R6, it's the source of base current for Q2, the oscillator stage. A lower resistance value means more base current. Should serve to boost the output, not reduce it.

Umm, okay. R6 is the SINK of base current for Q2, because it's a PNP. Base current for a PNP comes from the negative side of the power supply. Just the same, a higher resistance in series with the base terminal should reduce base current and collector current.

And signal voltage. Gotta pull one of these off the shelf and see for myself.

73
 
Umm, okay. R6 is the SINK of base current for Q2, because it's a PNP. Base current for a PNP comes from the negative side of the power supply. Just the same, a higher resistance in series with the base terminal should reduce base current and collector current.

Yes., please check one of yours.!, and if it's not already buffered / amplified with one of those external boards., check-out what a difference R6 can make.! :)

As the bottom-line is (and just finished that job a few days ago), is that the output did go up from ~50mv to ~300mv, and most likely, not because of any change in base current.

When base current gets too low (or too high), the transistor gets closer to its cut-off point (or its saturation point) both of which are non-linear (along with a large decrease of its amplification)., and it takes sooo little change in base-current to get a transistor to "walk-outside" of its linear-region.

Actually, if one looks closely., both Q2 & Q1 are NPN transistors (of the same part number)., and can be determined by looking at the voltage polarities being applied to the leads of both transistors.

R6 & R7 are simply a voltage divider for the base of Q2., with R2 & R4 being the voltage divider for the base of Q1., both of which are coming from the positive side of the power-supply.! (ie: NPN types).

The increase in RF output was more likely because of the amount of RF voltage being "allowed" to be generated had changed (ie: less "grounding" of Q2's base signal) which is part of the oscillator's "loop"., thus increasing the overall (OEM, non-buffered) oscillator's output...

And thanks for your "input" there Mr. Nomad.!

Regards,
Eric
(the retired "Motorolaian" lead bench-tech of western Mass., now in West "by-God" Virginia ;) )
 
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Well my fellow electronics-competent Folks., I just found another inexpensive & easy way to get even a bit more output from your Siltronix VFO 90., or any other brand of VFO (ie: a PAL, Glen, etc.) along with a better (higher) impedance-match, especially for tube-type equipment.!

It's simply using a miniature 4:1 BalUn along with some good quality RF coax cable.!

First-off., I'm reasonably sure that most Folks do use some type of thin RF coax to go from the VFO's output to the radio's Oscillator input., and NOT just some piece of pre-made stereo / audio jumper wire that has a pre-installed "RCA" connector on its end., as using such an "audio-cable" can have drastic attenuation at RF frequencies.!

A good example of such cable can be found here on Amazon:
amazon.com/gp/product/B07L67VJDX

It's a nice quality of RG-316 cable (has a very fine stranded inner conductor & outer shield) in which both the inner & outer insulation is made of Teflon (it's even quite easy to strip-back with common "Miller" type strippers.!) and because of the Teflon, it's virtually impossible to melt while both "tinning" its strands, and soldering connections to it.! :)

The other "ingredient" is using some type of miniature 4:1 BaUn to help multiply whatever voltage is coming out of your VCO, and to help increase the impedance-matching of the radio's Oscillator circuit (the 75 ohm winding on the VCO output side, and the 300 ohm winding on the radio Oscillator input side)

A good example of such a BalUn can be found here on Amazon:
amazon.com/gp/product/B077PB3DNX

It's nothing more than a standard 75 ohm to 300 ohm "Outdoor TV Antenna Matching Transformer".!

Though this particular one has a large-diameter, mostly hollow, outer plastic housing, as compared to the more typical, small-diameter, mostly solid (white plastic) housing.

The larger housing unit can be easily cracked-open (down its seams) and then able to carefully de-solder & extract the inner Toroidal-wound, BalUn type transformer.!

In this way., one can quadruple the output from their external VFO (ie: 4:1) or in some cases, even more., as a result of possible less "loading" and mis-matching of the VFO's output in the first place.! :)

I unfortunately still don't know how to attached photos to show-up directly into these posts I make here., and would GREATLY appreciate if someone here would walk-me-through the prosses of doing so.!!!

But., here (below) is a link to a photo I placed in my "gallery" that shows such a set-up I just finished installing into a Browning Mark-III transmitter, in which I now actually get an approximate 20% greater transmitter output carrier using the VFO's output, as compared to when I switch back to any of the "stock" internal crystals of that transmitter.!! :)

The photo also shows the particular TV transformer BalUn (from Amazon) I disassembled, so as to extract the miniature 4:1 (75 to 300 ohm) transformer.

https://www.worldwidedx.com/gallery/photos/vfo-balun-transformer-browning-mark-iii.6736

BTW., the "goop" you see holding-down both the coax-cable and the toroidal-wound transformer is NOT "hot-glue". As although it takes MUCH longer to "set" than hot-glue, I've always used "GE Silicone" type of RTV (room temperature vulcanizer) as my glue-of-choice.!

This is because it not only adheres VERY strongly to virtually anything (including glass.!) it's also a bit easier to remove than hot-glue (when / if desired) and will not break-loose (without warning) as sometimes hot-glue will. Also because it has a MUCH longer "pot-time" to "set" (about 30 minutes) than hot-glue does (only 5-10 seconds.!) it gives one the time to "set" an item where one wants, along with being able to "tool" (ie: smooth-out) any excess, or to "form" it into the desired shape :)

The only down-sides of it are., that it requires at least a few hours to cure enough to "handle" (and 12+ hours to cure-though / become solid)., and your hands / fingers get REAL slippery until you get a chance to do your best at washing the darn stuff off.!

Hopefully this added information and web-links (to my other posts in this Thread) will be of help to others here...

And again, if someone here can direct / help-out this "Forum-inept" (but electronically-competent) guy as to the (I'm sure, simple.?) way to have photos appear in my posts, rather that just "links" to my "gallery" would be just GREAT.!

Regards,
Eric
(aka: TheElectronicsGuy)
Klein Communications since 1980
facebook.com/radioman55
Career Resume
facebook.com/radioman55/posts/543516289675969
 
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