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AI generated capacitor list ... nope

Klondike Mike

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I spent the afternoon in preparation for building a new kit for a radio. I wanted to find out if AI would be able to remove one of the hurdles in my usual tasks that must be performed when building a new kit. I initially asked Google's AI to create a list for me. I used a service manual it found online. The end result was utter failure. Overblown capacitor count by 40%, values not even listed, wrong values listed, board # designations mostly omitted. This was after multiple attempts and disputing its findings as I went through the service manual BOM. All of the data generated is just slop and will be discarded.

I wasted a lot of time with this AI but with the results provided, I felt re-assured that a human is still required to build an accurate list that can be turned into a physical kit. A human is still needed to pick/order/package/ship etc., so AI is not going to be taking over my job anytime soon.
 

Let me say first that you provide a great service and although I have never had one of your kits myself I think the many folk that have who testament to them says enough.

As it was not viable due to the ocean between us and ridiculous postage costs upon which you have no control, I was not able to purchase from you earlier this year. But you were gracious in taking your time to reply to my enquiry at the time.

This left me with sourcing capacitors for a number of radio's which I have posted about on this forum. Rather than repeat the detail here that thread is and the post in particular is AI the good, bad & ugly CAPS .
Suffice to say there is another thread regarding AI also which documents some frustrations and some solutions or ways of thinking when approaching AI.

First thing is to determine if you were using Gemini (Google AI) as part of a paid subscription specifically enhancing the AI experience or just the out the box AI experience?

Next would be understanding the ground rules you set Gemini to T it up for the task you set it, is that something you could share?

Further to that would understanding the prompts you used along your journey?

Suffice to say when approached and implemented well AI can be very useful and was very useful when I wanted to collate my BOM and upload to supplier.
I think it comes down to necessity (being the Mother of Invention, Afterall). If you want to make your commercial aspect a little leaner, maybe make a little more and even pass on some reductions to buyers then it might all be around the upfront work to get the AI process slick enough to work to that end. Also has to be said that very little that's good or great is free, so paying for better AI to do more complex tasks to benefit your business may or may not make sense.

That's a key aspect is right there! the upfront work, repeatable, designed to be improved easily and potentially working across multiple suppliers. You're also going to have to consider the source material (the service manuals etc.) are they good readable clean OCR or just pdf pictures of jpg's and the like! the source material needs to be AI readable and thats not free (for the good stuff that is) and if its poor then your going to get poor output. Fixing the documents with paid for AI services that can actually give you better readable data probably comes before anything.

As was said in that other thread G.I.G.O.

Its a chore to setup but if you do it correctly and put in the initial time its occasionally worth it.
What I would say lastly is you could be able to drop one of the 4 human aspects you mentioned "pick/order/package/ship" order! if the AI works for you. But the other 3 probably aren't worth the effort for the quantities and cost in your model (hazarding a guess there, no offence intended).
 
There is a list of AI sites that specialize in electronics. Flux, ProtoFlow, Circuit Mind, DeepPCB, Celus, Quilter, Cadence Allegro X, etc. Maybe one of those would be better at recognizing electrolytic cap symbols.
 
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