Robb...
Can you go into more detail? Is the 99v model version more rare or... the one that you have? What makes the 99v special verses other models? Thanks
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Speech processors: do you use one?
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Robb...
Can you go into more detail? Is the 99v model version more rare or... the one that you have? What makes the 99v special verses other models? Thanks
I thought Bob's was off I80 does I80 run to Penn.?? I bought my SP1-a from him. I ordered it off his sight. Small world.
When last I checked the Top Gun Speech Processor was $49 but someone on this sight is saying their $20. That does not sound right at all unless prices have dropped which seems unlikely!
You owe it to yourself if you have not yet checked out the product I mentioned to check it out. He clearly list's the chip set being used so you can reference it against broadcast quality units and the chipset used in most modern radio's with compressor/processors built in from the OEM. Talking about amateur radio's not those radio's with band switch's labeled with letter's of the alphabet AM or AM/FM only intended to be sold for people to use on 11meter class D CB. I am not sure but I am thinking that RF Unlimted aka Sam Lewis does not disclose anything about the chipset in use or any technical facts about said units?!?!
When last I checked the Top Gun Speech Processor was $49 but someone on this sight is saying their $20. That does not sound right at all unless prices have dropped which seems unlikely!
You owe it to yourself if you have not yet checked out the product I mentioned to check it out. He clearly list's the chip set being used so you can reference it against broadcast quality units and the chipset used in most modern radio's with compressor/processors built in from the OEM. Talking about amateur radio's not those radio's with band switch's labeled with letter's of the alphabet AM or AM/FM only intended to be sold for people to use on 11meter class D CB. I am not sure but I am thinking that RF Unlimted aka Sam Lewis does not disclose anything about the chipset in use or any technical facts about said units?!?!
sp-1a
That is great info. i had the sp-1a processor installed in
my mirage mx 36 hp by richard a tech @ the ten four cb store
in ocala fl. it has to be installed with a scope. and adjusted
properly . richard is the best tech i know of 35 yrs exspierience.
i run the mic gain @ 2 oclock. 100% modulation no distortion
crystal clear clean audio.
That is great info. i had the sp-1a processor installed in
my mirage mx 36 hp by richard a tech @ the ten four cb store
in ocala fl. it has to be installed with a scope. and adjusted
properly . richard is the best tech i know of 35 yrs exspierience.
i run the mic gain @ 2 oclock. 100% modulation no distortion
crystal clear clean audio.
Too many people Distort their Signal..
I do use a processor..
But only when it comes with my radio..
MY HF Icom radios already come with a processor anyways..
That's a good bump, I've got a couple of the sp-1a from Bob that are on stand by for the right radio.
I know this is old but wow what a small minded individual! When I think I am harsh I find post's like these and am reminded I am a softy! LOLi never use a processor.
in fact, i tend to ignore any station that over processes their audio, this includes all the ESSB types also
RF Clipping as TenTec 715 for instance does is still operating on the audio. They are transforming the audio into RF doing the clipping and amplifying int he RF realm then converting it back to audio before injecting it back intot he radio.
Now if we are talking about RF clipping and processing on the RF stage and keeping it all RF that is another thing. I know it can be confusing. I amnot familar with anything TENTec has done in radio but I own a TenTec 715. I also own other products made my MFJ for example that does the same thing and I think before TenTec was doing it.
Well the AR3300 and 3500 where offered with the SP1-a from the factory so any "keep it stock untouched" is just stupid thinking on your part since it and a 100w single 2879 insternal amp could be added tot he 3500 from the factory.
If the factory "molests" the radio before they send it to you is it too unpure and molested??
For the ignorant a lot of radio's like but not limited tot he Cobra 138XLR had speech processing int he form of built in compression that is always on. Idiots would yank those parts of the audio chain out and bypass it then slap on a power mic.
When not talking about contesting on SSB compression can be a good thing but it is at it's best when you can not tell it is being done. Just like some delay and a tiny bit of reverb and echo can be great as long as you can not hear it as an effect. If you can tell reverb, delay and echo is in use it is too much and being used by a low IQ NPC.
Sadly processing is great but give it to a not so bright monkey and you are almost guranteed a bad outcome. An infinite number of monkeys randomly hammering the keys of type righters for infinity will never hammer out the works of William Shakspear! Sadly people that are in love witht he sound of their own voice are the scourge of CB!
When not talking about contesting on SSB compression can be a good thing but it is at it's best when you can not tell it is being done. Just like some delay and a tiny bit of reverb and echo can be great as long as you can not hear it as an effect. If you can tell reverb, delay and echo is in use it is too much and being used by a low IQ NPC.
Sadly processing is great but give it to a not so bright monkey and you are almost guranteed a bad outcome. An infinite number of monkeys randomly hammering the keys of type righters for infinity will never hammer out the works of William Shakspear! Sadly people that are in love witht he sound of their own voice are the scourge of CB!
Are you trying to respond to Robb? That post was from 2011. He's is a silent key as it says under his screen name. That's making you look stupid.
In contesting where getting heard is the only thing that matters that is where overly processed audio and SSB meet.
You have to remeber that most amateuter radio operators see AM as a mode as almost as bad as pedophillia is to the masses. So you will almost never see compression, downward expansion, noise gates, symertrical audio or anything else discussed in the AM real it will always be SSB related.
If I can not talk AM and SSB on a chunk of band than it is not for me it is for some simped out loser that wants to have someone urinate in his face and tell him it is raining.Give me a chunk of freq. and let me talk, text, send data what ever so long as it is not lude or illegal stay out of my way. Rules are not the issue stupid rules that are about power and control and not much else is what I take issue with.
If you have ever heard a commercial on TV, AM radio, FM radio you have heard comrpession. IF you listen to a record or CD you have heard every kind of processing known to man.
You have to remeber that most amateuter radio operators see AM as a mode as almost as bad as pedophillia is to the masses. So you will almost never see compression, downward expansion, noise gates, symertrical audio or anything else discussed in the AM real it will always be SSB related.
If I can not talk AM and SSB on a chunk of band than it is not for me it is for some simped out loser that wants to have someone urinate in his face and tell him it is raining.Give me a chunk of freq. and let me talk, text, send data what ever so long as it is not lude or illegal stay out of my way. Rules are not the issue stupid rules that are about power and control and not much else is what I take issue with.
If you have ever heard a commercial on TV, AM radio, FM radio you have heard comrpession. IF you listen to a record or CD you have heard every kind of processing known to man.
Okay interesting topic, even though I have fond memorys of hearing MMM for the first time several years back, he sounded so good at first because I didn't know about him thought it was someone newly moved in close to me LOL. I recorded a short clip of that I was so impressed, still have it to this day, oh those memorys wow!
Then comes the D-Rail Stryker 955 I got second hand cheaper and I like it quite a bit yes indeed it's neat radio beefed up just right.
Finally which this doesn't quite qualify for this topic I reckon but I'll end my 2 cents input this way, as I finally got one of those CPI "Talk Power" gadgets that works and it does the trick quite well keeping my modulation in a great area - so there you have it... 73's
Retro just got down from the Hoosier state exit stage right...
Then comes the D-Rail Stryker 955 I got second hand cheaper and I like it quite a bit yes indeed it's neat radio beefed up just right.
Finally which this doesn't quite qualify for this topic I reckon but I'll end my 2 cents input this way, as I finally got one of those CPI "Talk Power" gadgets that works and it does the trick quite well keeping my modulation in a great area - so there you have it... 73's
Retro just got down from the Hoosier state exit stage right...
MMM is doing a bunch of stuff to the audio and the rf.
MMM is using Compression, Downward Expansion, Asseymetry, EQ and a lot more audio power to rf power than is typical outside of broadcast radio. IN fact he might be exceeding that as well. He is using a lot of audio band width and rf bandwidth more than FCC allows for CB. The modulation is beyound 200% and the carrier is being supressed until the audio comes in.
He is using a series of amplifiers daisy chained .
He is basicly using all of the tricks you would use in early broadcast radio or eraly music recording and then direct injecting into a radio. His early MMM board just consolidated a lot of seperate black boxes down into one unit.
A lifetime ago I did eSSB using old tube gear. I liked it but it was a lot of work for a college kid bouncing between dorms and family memebers basements! I was in constant contest mode for 2 years before I got an apartment.
I do talk AM a little bit int he day time but SSB is my weakness. It used to be red heads then it became SSB. ON CB it is not worth it to do eSSB and on ham it is easy so......
Hifi direct inject is normaly guys using an IPAD or rack gear or both and they bypass the audio chain in a CB radio. Often these guys are runing a radio that has 120% to 300% modulation with NPC-RC with 1/4 watt carrier and forward swing into a one transistor modulator into a 2 to 4 transistor amp and then either into somethinglike a 2x350Z tube amp or larger or into something like a 64 transistor amp or larger. These are the cats you hear on channel 6.
The problem is that unless your radio has modified wideband hifi recieve most of the work they have done will not even be picked up on freq. bythe average radio and it will not be reproduced by the audio chain and speaker of a stock CB radio!
IF someone wanted to sound better than 99% of the people on 2 way radio push the -3db point down to 150hz and the -3db point at the top end to 4200hs to 4500hz adn it would blow the minds of most. Get modulation up 125% on AM and average power up to not less than 100 watts and again 99% of people would be amazed. Going to the extreme like the guys on channel 6 can not be appreciated by most. It is like the difference ont he street between a car that has 1200hp at 10,000 and a car that has 600HP and 600lbs-ft at 6000rpm. On the track the super car will win especialy if it can brake and turn but on the street the 600/600 with a flat power band wins 95% of the time.
Put another way if your rifle only needs to shoot accurately at 300-600 for a short to mid course work building a gun that will dominate at 1000 yards plus is foolish.
You have to have a goal in mind and you have to build accordingly anything else is a waste of time and money. I always build mission specific no matter what the job. I seldom take first place but I always podium!
MMM is using Compression, Downward Expansion, Asseymetry, EQ and a lot more audio power to rf power than is typical outside of broadcast radio. IN fact he might be exceeding that as well. He is using a lot of audio band width and rf bandwidth more than FCC allows for CB. The modulation is beyound 200% and the carrier is being supressed until the audio comes in.
He is using a series of amplifiers daisy chained .
He is basicly using all of the tricks you would use in early broadcast radio or eraly music recording and then direct injecting into a radio. His early MMM board just consolidated a lot of seperate black boxes down into one unit.
A lifetime ago I did eSSB using old tube gear. I liked it but it was a lot of work for a college kid bouncing between dorms and family memebers basements! I was in constant contest mode for 2 years before I got an apartment.
I do talk AM a little bit int he day time but SSB is my weakness. It used to be red heads then it became SSB. ON CB it is not worth it to do eSSB and on ham it is easy so......
Hifi direct inject is normaly guys using an IPAD or rack gear or both and they bypass the audio chain in a CB radio. Often these guys are runing a radio that has 120% to 300% modulation with NPC-RC with 1/4 watt carrier and forward swing into a one transistor modulator into a 2 to 4 transistor amp and then either into somethinglike a 2x350Z tube amp or larger or into something like a 64 transistor amp or larger. These are the cats you hear on channel 6.
The problem is that unless your radio has modified wideband hifi recieve most of the work they have done will not even be picked up on freq. bythe average radio and it will not be reproduced by the audio chain and speaker of a stock CB radio!
IF someone wanted to sound better than 99% of the people on 2 way radio push the -3db point down to 150hz and the -3db point at the top end to 4200hs to 4500hz adn it would blow the minds of most. Get modulation up 125% on AM and average power up to not less than 100 watts and again 99% of people would be amazed. Going to the extreme like the guys on channel 6 can not be appreciated by most. It is like the difference ont he street between a car that has 1200hp at 10,000 and a car that has 600HP and 600lbs-ft at 6000rpm. On the track the super car will win especialy if it can brake and turn but on the street the 600/600 with a flat power band wins 95% of the time.
Put another way if your rifle only needs to shoot accurately at 300-600 for a short to mid course work building a gun that will dominate at 1000 yards plus is foolish.
You have to have a goal in mind and you have to build accordingly anything else is a waste of time and money. I always build mission specific no matter what the job. I seldom take first place but I always podium!
Speech Processors I own:
SP1-a
Top Gun CP-1
Top Gun Md-1
Multi Phase Rotation Device based on Symetra Early AM Broadcast System(sp)
Berigher Tube Compression Limiter
JPL95 Greek Opti Based Compresser
Some home brew TDA7284 chip based EQ/Compressor combo
Off the top of my head that seems like it. I have not done most of this in the last decade. Most of it was in my youth. I have gotten old fat and lazy! LOL
I use a lot of DSP on the output side so that my 52 year old ears can hear things clearly.
I like electrete condenser mic's a lot especially with Gold FInger modifications. I like old school notch filtering in combination with DSP and EQ on output. COmbine with a quality open baffle speaker larger than most would think about using you have a winner winner chicken diner! EQ on input with modest compression is always a good place to start especially with Gold FInger Mod!
MFJ LSP520BX-II Super Logarithmic Speech Processor
TenTec 715SP1-a
Top Gun CP-1
Top Gun Md-1
Multi Phase Rotation Device based on Symetra Early AM Broadcast System(sp)
Berigher Tube Compression Limiter
JPL95 Greek Opti Based Compresser
Some home brew TDA7284 chip based EQ/Compressor combo
Off the top of my head that seems like it. I have not done most of this in the last decade. Most of it was in my youth. I have gotten old fat and lazy! LOL
I use a lot of DSP on the output side so that my 52 year old ears can hear things clearly.
I like electrete condenser mic's a lot especially with Gold FInger modifications. I like old school notch filtering in combination with DSP and EQ on output. COmbine with a quality open baffle speaker larger than most would think about using you have a winner winner chicken diner! EQ on input with modest compression is always a good place to start especially with Gold FInger Mod!